[recursivedoubts]

OK, this is just completely unreasonable of you. HTML is a natural hypermedia in that it has native hypermedia controls. JSON & XML are not natural hypermedia because they do not, however hypermedia controls can be added on top of them, as in the case of HXML/hyperview, which, again I include in my book on hypermedia systems.

There are many other hypermedias, such as Siren, which uses JSON as a base, and I have never claimed otherwise. Mark Amundsen, perhaps the worlds expert on hypermedia, wrote the forward to my book, Hypermedia Systems, and found nothing objectionable and much worthwhile in it.

I hate to be rude but you didn't understand, or refused to acknowledge, the basic meaning and usage of the term 'hypermedia control' until I cited a W3C document using it. While I certainly understand people can dislike the conceptual basis of htmx, its admittedly idiosyncratic implementation or the way we talk about it, at this point I have tried to engage you multiple times in good faith here and have been rewarded with baseless accusations of things I haven't said and don't believe.

At this point, to be an honest person, you need to apologize for misrepresenting what I am saying multiple times to other people. It is dishonest and it makes you a liar, over something as dumb as a technical disagreement.

[troupo]

> I hate to be rude but you didn't understand, or refused to acknowledge, the basic meaning and usage of the term 'hypermedia control' until I cited a W3C document using it.

Just because you were correct in one small detail (citing a 2019 standard retrofitting definitions for the use in RDF etc.) doesn't make you correct in the grand scheme of things.

> with baseless accusations of things I haven't said and don't believe.

I literally quoted your own words at you.

> you need to apologize for misrepresenting what I am saying multiple times to other people.

I will not apologize for things that I even quoted from your own writing and words.

[recursivedoubts]

> one small detail

the presence of hypermedia controls is a defining characteristic of a hypermedia format

> I literally quoted your own words at you.

You took an essay I wrote in which I defined the term HDA specifically to contrast with the term SPA in the context of web development and spun that into an imagined philosophy where HTML is the only hypermedia in the world. You persisted in this after I pointed out that I included HXML in my book on hypermedia, and gave a clear definition of what I consider the defining characteristics of hypermedia & clarified specific examples of other formats that are hypermedia.

You have confused "X is A" with "Only X is A" and then, when large gaps in your understanding of hypermedia have been brought to your attention, you have dismissed them as small details.

> I will not apologize

I did not expect you to.

At this point I think I have taken goodwill as far as it can go. I encourage any other readers who have made it to this point in this hellthread to simply read my essays & perhaps my book, and judge them on their own merits:

https://htmx.org/essays

https://hypermedia.systems