[wslh]

The problem here about fallacies is that these discussions have real world implication and are not a theorem in a chalkboard.

People kill and die based on ideas, power, etc and not following logical rules. That is the main fallacy: applying [only] logic to the human world.

[johnnyworker]

I was just saying that there is no such thing as an insufficient counter-argument to something that can't even stand on its own. "People who say X NEVER say Y" is just.. nothing.

And when I "apply logic to the human world" there is not an instance in which I'm not fully "inside" the human world myself. Logic isn't some magical outside thing, and like conversation it doesn't have to be a means to an end.

[wslh]

Do you agree that war is a continuation of politics? (probabilistically speaking)

[johnnyworker]

What does "war" have to do with dropping 2000lbs bombs in one of the most densely populated areas of the world, bombing refugee camps, stripping people in the streets, sniping a 70 year old women with a white flag and fleeing with a child, destroying streets just to make Gaza unlivable, singing about how there are no innocent civilians in Gaza, spraying demented graffitis in the homes of Palestinians that are either racist or religious zealotry? Politics? All that stuff is a result of personality disorders and group dynamics between people with personality disorders. The incapability to have empathy and the inability to reflect, the positive NEED to deflect every single time, talk about the other, talk about something else, is the one constant.

[wslh]

Are you saying that this is a planned genocide order executed by the IDF? I was just looking at your profile [1]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=johnnyworker

[johnnyworker]

So you can't answer the question, instead of making it about me. Called it?

So, are you denying it? Here's IDF dancing chanting genocidal stuff. And what they showed is nothing compared to what's out there. As the SA legal team said, the refrained from shock value. Let me know if you need more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G15NyemgYDM&t=4548s

(isn't it "funny" how like 1% of the Western Channels that reported on Israel's "defense" didn't say a peep about the day before that? That's a matter of record now, too, another thing that won't be forgotten nor forgiven. The casual treatment people in Palestine like vermin, if not just collateral, was heard around the world. The people who are already tired of hearing that are in for such a rough ride.)

There's taxis and busses with genocidal slogans driving around. This goes way deeper than the prime minister, countless other ministers and Knesset members, IDF generals and IDF soldiers.

https://twitter.com/ireallyhateyou/status/174508838519726080...

Jason Hickel put it well:

> The US and UK are bombing Yemen, one of the poorest countries in the world, so that Israel can continue its genocide and mass displacement of the Palestinian people in Gaza without disruption. That's the reality we're in.

While Jason Cameron can't answer the question if turning off water is a breach of international humanitarian law because "he's not a lawyer".

[wslh]

Let's see what happens in the ICJ which works in the real ruling.