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by FirmwareBurner 896 days ago
>Hiring non-EU citizens is almost impossible because of the bureaucracy.

We want to water down the already mediocre wages even more? If you can't find workers across the whole 448 million EU block willing to work for you, you're doing something wrong.
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devdude1337 896 days ago
What makes you think that developers from Brazil, Vietnam, Canada, Egypt or the US would demand so much lower wages? I helped companies onboarding people from all over the globe, and every developer (at least those we met and signed) know their worth.
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jamil7 896 days ago
Because if people can compete on wages due to lower COL, they will, and some companies will reward that.
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698969 894 days ago
Immigrants don't get a lower COL, they live in the same place and pay the same taxes.

If anything their COL is higher because of the fees related to being an immigrant, they lose out on benefits and on sharing fixed costs with the family.

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jamil7 893 days ago
I’m aware, I’m an immigrant. The thread is discussing outsourcing to lower COL areas not immigration (at least that’s how I interpreted it).
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FirmwareBurner 896 days ago
>and every developer (at least those we met and signed) know their worth

What about those you didn't sign? What about the SW bodyshops aka visa shops, who pray on desperate foreigners from broken countries trying to emigrate at any cost? I know more of those sleezy bodyshops than I have fingers on my hands to count.

I never said your comapny does this, but you can't pretend immigration wage dumping doesn't exist and that many companyes aren't exploiting it.

You also can't tell me with a straight face that flooding the market with more workers doesn't lower wages as per the supply/demand of the market.

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oytis 896 days ago
These foreigners will quickly learn the cost of living in Germany and what their colleagues get, I don't think it's a significant factor. What really keeps wages down IMO is the lack of high-margin/high-growth businesses, lack of German "unicorns", general risk-averseness of German capital (which can be explained by the previous two).
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FirmwareBurner 896 days ago
> IMO is the lack of high-margin/high-growth businesses

It's not really a German-only thing. Other than the US and China almost no other country currently has such things. EU is mostly traditional businesses and risk-averse investors.

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oytis 895 days ago
> It's not really a German-only thing.

Sure, relatively (compared to what one can have in the US) low salaries for software engineers is a EU wide thing. Some countries pay more some less, Germany is probably closer to the top if you consider EU.

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