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by MaxHoppersGhost 896 days ago
Have you seen where materials for batteries come from? Not exactly homegrown by hippies.
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Typically mined by (say) first nation Australians in Laverton, Western Australia from Mount Weld mine: https://youtu.be/LXEbznvl0wM?t=108

Then shipped to Malaysia as concentrate for cracking & leaching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oij3c8GGWmw

Other similar stories exist in the supply chain, but that's one high volume link.

Not hippies of the 1960s San Francisco Haight-Ashbury ilk, but certainly regular people about the globe.

See the IEA: Global Supply Chains of EV Batteries (2022) - https://iea.blob.core.windows.net/assets/4eb8c252-76b1-4710-...

    Most key minerals are mined in resource-rich countries such as Australia, Chile and the Democratic Republic of Congo, and handled by a few major companies.

    Governments in Europe and the United States have bold public sector initiatives to develop domestic battery supply chains, but the majority of the supply chain is likely to remain Chinese through 2030.

    For example, 70% of battery production capacity announced for the period to 2030 is in China.
Note: that's "majority owned by Chinese companies" not "entirely within the country of China".
Indeed (though neither is the USA itself), however you have to try quite hard to damage a battery in a way that means recycling it at end of life is harder than extracting raw elements from rocks in the ground, so a steady-state battery setup is much less vulnerable than the 20th century setup for oil… provided there's sufficient will to actually build the recycling plants and manufacturing capability in most nations, and it's much too early to see how that plays out given the current scale of operations.

Similar arguments also apply to PV cells and wind turbines.