[thwest]

You would be happy with a definition of success that allows for the sidelining of an entire gender?

[scott_s]

I think his point was that if we shun them, and they wither and die, then their shunning of a gender ceases to be an issue.

[srconstantin]

BTW, I'm a she, and yes, that was my point.

[thwest]

My point is that we don't need to crouch this argument in conditionals. I have no qualms shunning ugly behaviors no matter how "successful" they are.