[WalterBright]

Are you saying that capitalism and technology are inhuman forces? That humans were in some idyllic state before 1800?

[jampekka]

Probably not in 1800, but the post-war "big government" era from about 1950's to 1980's (depending on the area) was relatively idyllic in many places.

[WalterBright]

The government has gotten enormously bigger and more pervasive since then.

[jampekka]

Ok, if you say so.

[WalterBright]

Don't take my word for it. Just take a look at any chart of state/local/federal spending.

[chasd00]

in the US, prior to 2001 the department of homeland security (a signigicant portion of the government) did not even exist.

[WalterBright]

The Department of Education is another massive bureaucracy that is really hard to discern a benefit from.

[zerbinxx]

No, not at all, just that (post) modern techno-capitalism has grown out of the need to justify itself via appeals to humanism. Another way of looking at this is by considering the difference between life/death drive in psychology as they relate to humanism/anti-humanism and how that manifests in systems.

[WalterBright]

I have no idea what that means.

[zerbinxx]

I can explain if you’re genuinely interested