[humbleharbinger]

I had a similar experience using danfo.js, another data frame library in js. Copilot straight up hallucinate functionality and method names.

Not a big deal because I just read the docs but it was annoying that I couldn't have copilot just spit out what I need.

[im_down_w_otp]

This is really interesting to see these two posts. I can now imagine where AI tools actually inhibit innovation in many domains simply because they’re optimized for things that are already entrenched and new entrants won’t be in the training data. Further inhibiting adoption compared to existing things and thus further inhibiting enough growth to make it into model updates.

[xpe]

It is a healthy mindset to see this phenomenon as "interesting". I can get there when I dial up my mindfulness, but my default mode here is rather judgy; as in "please ppl! pick the better tool as evaluated over a 4+ hour timeframe (after you've got some muscle memory for the API) instead of a 15 minute evaluation".

Forgive me for ranting here, but have people forgotten how to bootstrap their own knowledge about a new library? Taking notes isn't hard. Making a personal cheat-sheet isn't hard. I say all this AND I use LLMs very frequently to help with technical work. But I'm mindful about the tradeoffs. I will not let the tool steer me down a path that isn't suitable.

I'm actually hopeful: there is an unexpected competitive advantage to people who are willing to embrace a little discomfort and take advantage of one's neuroplasticity.

[mncharity]

> I can now imagine where AI tools actually inhibit innovation [...] new entrants won’t be in the training data

I still imagine the opposite impact... Welcome to no-moats-lang.io! So, you've created yet another new programming language over the holidays? You have a sandbox and LSP server up, and are wondering what to do next? Our open-source LLMs are easily tuned for your wonderful language! They will help you rapidly create excellent documentation, translators from related popular languages, do bulk translation of "batteries" so your soon-to-be-hordes of users can be quickly productive, and create both server and on-prem ChatOverflowPilotBots! Instant support for new language versions, and automatic code update! "LLM's are dynamite for barriers to entry!" - Some LLM Somewhere Probably.

Once upon a time, a tar file with a compiler was MVP for a language. But with little hope of broad adoption. And year by year, user minimum expectations have grown dauntingly - towards extensive infrastructure, docs, code, community. Now even FAMG struggle to support "Help me do common-thing in current-version?". Looking ahead, not only do LLMs seemingly help drop the cost of those current expectations to something a tiny team might manage, but also help drop some of the historical barriers to rapid broad adoption - "Waiting for the datascience and webdev books? ... Week after next."

We might finally be escaping decades of language evolution ecosystem dysfunction... just as programming might be moving on from them? :/

[fpgaminer]

How is that different from humans who prefer tools they know to tools they don't?

[FridgeSeal]

Because it’s like willfully choosing the more painful and difficult tool that occasionally stabs you in the hand, because you’re now used to being stabbed in the hand.

Continuing to choose it in the face of - in their own words - a better option, is a bit mind-boggling to me.