[deathpanels]

I bailed on a small local company in early 2021. I checked in with how they were doing recently. They laid off all the local developers, minus management (of course). They're hiring exclusively in Africa, the Middle-East, and South America. My current company has done the same thing by emphasizing that we're only hiring in our EU office. I've not seen many US based roles unless they are customer support related.

It is predictable that remote work would lead to another wave of off-shoring. The question now is whether or not these companies can actually innovate with a remote, largely foreign workforce. We've all seen the abominations produced by offshore teams. Moving to a fully remote foreign workforce may be short-sighted.

[giantg2]

At least so far, we've seen foreign direct hires work out well. Much better than the outsourcing teams by a long shot.

[bruce511]

>> actually innovate with a remote, largely foreign workforce.

As distinct from a remote, largely local, expensive workforce?

Innovation is often the mix of vision, direction, and implementation. AWS for example, was implemented by an offshore team. [1]

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Web_Services#:~:text=....

[dh2022]

AWS was not implemented by an offshore team. The link you pasted implies that EC2 was implemented by an offshore team - which is not correct either. EC2 had two teams, one of which was in Cape Town. The other team was in Seattle - and larger than the one in Cape Town. The rest of AWS at the time (2007) consisted of S3, SQS, DevPay, CDN, SimpleDB (AWS' own DB implementation at the time) etc... These teams were all in Seattle (in the red brick building by I5).