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by lelanthran 898 days ago
> The fact that he is describing the practices of the aristocracy is also very relevant because every human being in the "developed" world today lives like an aristocrat and commits so many atrocities throughout the day that it would be impossible to catalogue them all.

Any example of these atrocities that every human commits every day which are on the same scale and personal involvement as the fox hunting presented as the example of an atrocity?
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haltist 898 days ago
You ever buy a sandwich with meat in it? How about coffee? Chocolate? Driving a car? Use pesticides to clear your home of termites? Poisons to get rid of rats and other "pests"? Do you use smart phones and other gadgets with rare earth metals? Have you recently walked by a homeless person and what did you do about the situation? Do you have an opinion on Israel's actions in Gaza? Ever been in a car accident? Run over some animals/people because you were going too fast? Do you use makeup tested on animals? The list is endless.

The soul of humanity can be saved for a mere $80B with the help of the "panoptic computronium cathedral"™ so tell all your friends about it. A better humanity is possible for a very cheap investment, all that's needed is some hardware and software that will enable governing the world with mathematics.

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lelanthran 898 days ago
> You ever buy a sandwich with meat in it? How about coffee? Chocolate? Driving a car? Use pesticides to clear your home of termites? Poisons to get rid of rats and other "pests"? Do you use smart phones and other gadgets with rare earth metals? Have you recently walked by a homeless person and what did you do about the situation? Do you have an opinion on Israel's actions in Gaza? Ever been in a car accident? Run over some animals/people because you were going too fast? Do you use makeup tested on animals?

Do you think that any of those examples are in the category of "taking pleasure and directly taking part in seeing a live animals torn to bits"?

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haltist 898 days ago
It has nothing to do with your subjective experience and everything to do with the fact that wanton use of resources, animals, and people for selfish purposes is fundamentally immoral and atrocious. The fact that the aggregate effect ends up being a crime against nature is why these atrocities are innumerable. By simply existing and opting into the system you are complicit in its operation and propagation.

You don't have to see a live animal torn to bits to be implicated in the unethical farming and slaughter of animals, all you have to do is spend a dollar to support the system that makes it all possible.

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lelanthran 898 days ago
> It has nothing to do with your subjective experience and everything to do with the fact that wanton use of resources, animals, and people for selfish purposes is fundamentally immoral and atrocious.

I'm trying to clarify your position here: Do you think that eating a creature, farmed, raised and killed in accordance with current legislation, is the same level of atrocity as laughing with pleasure as a live animal is torn apart, just for the joy of the audience?

Because, TBH, if you argue that those two are the same in level and intensity of "evilness", then you are, in all fairness, not playing with a full deck.

If you argue that they are not, then your original comment is off the mark.

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haltist 898 days ago
Oh so you're doing me a favor? That's great but the only favor I need from you is to tell your friends about the panoptic computronium cathedral. Thanks again for being so helpful but I just need money to save humanity and don't need anyone to clarify my position because it is pretty clear if you have an IQ high enough to understand it.
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