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by cxr 892 days ago
I know it's five hours later and this question has already spawned dozens of responses, but it's worth thinking and speaking clearly if we're trying to arrive at a solution for something. We can start by saying exactly what we're talking about—how do you make what different? Because you mention npm "and their policies" but then switch gears and talk about "is-odd", which is not a policy issue. It's rather something else entirely.

If you want answers, state clearly what _specific_ problem you're trying to solve. Whatever the solution to it might be, vague and fuzzy questions—while magnets for chatter since they can stand in for whatever someone wants to read out of them—are not the way to get there.

(You could say that this is needlessly tedious because everyone already knows what we're talking about, but that this isn't true is exactly my position. It's certain that something like half the people reading, thinking, and writing are have in mind one thing, while the other half are thinking of another—and the third half are thinking about something different from either of those. We're also programmers, so dealing with tedium and the constraints of having to be explicit should be second nature.)

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> Whatever the solution to it might be, vague and fuzzy questions—while magnets for chatter since they can stand in for whatever someone wants to read out of them—are not the way to get there.

This is a great line. If HN had a quote of the month or something, this should be nominated for that.

You design a language for a purpose (which could be anything) you develop and mature it's features to better fit it's use case.

html, a crappy defective xml implementation refuses to grow up, js, while great for little html tweaks is not adopting any of the useful features found in popular npm packages. It was actively developed for 2 weeks. Ripping off it's head (nodejs) gave us a poor sailor jargon ~ but without the boats!

Therefore there is nothing wrong with npm, she is a fine ship. The harbor doesn't want to take it's much desired cargo, it must sail the 7 seas forever mon capitaine!

HTML came before XML. Also, how is HTML crappy when it is used by millions of web sites and is one of the most successful technologies in the past 35 years?

Does this mean it is perfect? No. Is it "crappy"? Nope.

Also, while JavaScript had a rushed development cycle, it has grown over the past 20-30 years and you can clearly write some great programs in it. Also, it has some very good features. My favorite is you can pass functions as variable arguments. It got this before a lot of other mainstream languages.

> Also, how is HTML crappy when it is used by millions of web sites and is one of the most successful technologies in the past 35 years?

That does not mean it's good.

Lead paint was widely used in the Europe and Americas for a very long time, doesn't mean it was good