[knifie_spoonie]

Managers are the ones with the authority to tell engineers what to do. If an engineer refuses, they'll simply be replaced with someone more pliable.

See the Challenger disaster for a high profile example.

[KingOfCoders]

"replaced with someone more pliable."

If I don't rob the bank, someone else will!

Yes, and then the other engineer is responsible for the dead people, not you. But if your job is more important than other peoples lifes, I guess, yes, you do as you have been told.

[knifie_spoonie]

"If I don't rob the bank, someone else will!"

Or maybe we stop people from trying to force others to rob banks. Nip the problem in the bud.

Why do you want to let managers get away with toxic behavior and then blame the subordinates?

[KingOfCoders]

Me: "Sure managers are guilty."

You: "Why do you want to let managers get away with toxic behavior."

[oefnak]

Okay, then that replacement should also refuse or go to jail.

[knifie_spoonie]

Crazy idea, but maybe the manager trying to force engineers to do these things should be held accountable.

[uxp8u61q]

They're just following orders, is that it?

[knifie_spoonie]

Since when did we start apologizing for people in positions of authority forcing others to bad things?

[uxp8u61q]

"Forcing"? Are they holding a gun to the devs' heads and "forcing" them to implement safety circumvention features? I doubt it.

[KingOfCoders]

We Germans know how to do that!