[mattigames]

But what if your parents and their parents (and so for) have been systematically oppresed by the goverment and by private companies to put you in a position where becoming competent is way harder than it is for your peers? I know this argument can have reasonable criticisms and that they are many variables at play, but just saying "if you are competent that's all that matters" its just extremely reductionist.

[eurekin]

I'd just do the best I could in that situation

[mattigames]

Sometimes their best it's not good enough to succeed, sometimes society has extend their hand to help them get out of their ugly situation, the situation that previous generations put them in; this of community-focused approach to society issues it's why homelessness in Japan is 0.2 per 10000 habitants vs 17 in the USA.

[eurekin]

I have family in Japan, it's complicated. Extending hand is OK, forcing others to comply is not

[mattigames]

Yeah, in countries where they teach empathy in schools they don't need to force any of this, the vast majority understands from a young age that is the right thing, in countries like the US they don't, that's why they end up worshipping people that represent the full opposite, people like Trump.

Somehow it's ok to force people to pay taxes and at the same time make holes on those laws so people like Bezos pay next to zero taxes, but making companies hire black people is just "too much forcing", your definition of what is acceptable forcing and what is not seems extremely biased.

[eurekin]

Force hirings? How's that any good? I'd rather be given a opportunity to learn and grow competencies so later, I'd apply as a valuable contributor.

Edit: I genuinely don't know what's the intended meaning and the way it should work. Is this universally applied, or only to specific jobs? If universally, would you be willing to have a surgical operation done on yourself by me, if I were forced hired as a surgeon? Similar for engineering jobs, where there is no quick way to being productive