[Gibbon1]

Let not be the type of person that doesn't let facts get in the way.

Hard fact Israel cleared out of Gaza 17 years ago and since then the Palestinians have let themselves be ruled by a terrorist organization. So doesn't seem like the Palestinians should be allowed to have their own government. Normally the solution to this sort of problem is they'd be handed over to some other government. Problem is no one wants the headache.

The hard reality is the Palestinians are a couple of million people that can't get their shit together vs 30 million refugees many of whom are in grave danger not of their own making.

After 50 years of paying attention to these guys I really can't care anymore. And that's really what everyone else should do. Because if no one cared about them anymore they'd have to deal with their own shit.

[thriftwy]

> So doesn't seem like the Palestinians should be allowed to have their own government

Why not? Isn't that an universal right? How are Sudanese or Lebanese better than Palestineans in that regard?

Your attention is worthless because it did not led Israel to implement two-state solution. What would you want? Retirement benefits?

[Gibbon1]

I explained why not, because they elect terrorists to rule them. I'll add they regularly start wars that they then lose. Nobody else gets an endless amounts of do overs. And I think for them that needs to stop. They should get what every other group gets when they do stuff like what they did on Oct 7th. Your leaders get annihilated and you lose your sovereignty.

Contrast with Lebanon where despite everything that have some form of practical government. Sudan where it is an internal civil war. I'll point out there was far more refugees in Sudan than Palestinians. And most of those unlike the Palestinians are blameless. By rights every dime we give to the Palestinians should go to them instead.

[johnnyworker]

Human rights apply to all humans, as the individuals they are, not as members of a group you assign them to.

"They" is doing a lot of work here. Who is "they"? Half of the population of Gaza are under the age of 15. "They" keep electing terrorists and keep starting wars.

> They should get what every other group gets when they do stuff like what they did on Oct 7th.

Again, "they". What other group? Name them. Name one. Outside of what the Nazis did and how they rationalized it. Outside of how terrorist groups rationalize and attempt to justify what they do.

> This too does the for a totalitarian environment so well prepared vernacular express in its own way when it no longer speaks of "the" Russians or "the" French, but tells us what "the" Russian or "the" Frenchman wants.

-- Hannah Arendt

So cause the worst humanitarian crisis on the planet right now..

https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipcinfo-website/alerts-archive/issue...

.. blow up infrastructure and make fun of that...

https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/17317722618482647...

https://twitter.com/ireallyhateyou/status/174329670657626944...

https://twitter.com/ytirawi/status/1743411493813575711

.. and then "they" will... stop being radicalized into terrorism?

And while you're at it, attack refugee camps in the West Bank? Because children who weren't even born in 2006 elected terrorists in Gaza, and enough is enough.

Nonsense. And everybody know it is.

> "In the context of de-legitimization - Hamas is an asset (for Israel) and the Palestinian Authority is a liability"

-- Smotrich, https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1741196470399783296

> If we act strategically correctly, there will be immigration and we will live in the Gaza Strip. We will not allow a situation where 2 million people live there. If there are 100-200 thousand Arabs in Gaza, all the talk about the day after will be different. They want to leave, they have been living in the ghetto for 75 years and are in need"

-- Smotrich, https://twitter.com/GLZRadio/status/1741347524693127398

So if you keep electing people who are murdering civilians to commit ethnic cleansing to take over the land, or keep electing leaders that supply those other leaders with weapons to do that, and then, as an adult, go on a forum to re-iterate that you personally agree with it, that's fine. But kids in Gaza, they have to pay for what they did.