[themaninthedark]

I recently changed job; I used to fill my car every week now every other week. (60 miles roundtrip to 30 miles roundtrip)

I also have some times where I have to drive 10.2 hours(730 miles one way) almost non-stop. When I have to do something like that, I want to drive. Not stop and wait.

The Tesla trip planner with the Model 3 Long Range edition for that drive show it will take 13h for the same drive so about 28% longer with 4 stops @ 30min each.

Realize that people have different use cases.

[lanstin]

It would be cool, if climate change were a convenient truth, rather than slightly inconvenient.

[PH95VuimJjqBqy]

it would be cool if people felt like the environmental benefits were enough and didn't have to muddy the waters with made up other factoids.

if you want to buy an EV for the environment, great, more power to you, but stop trying to convince people that it's reasonable to sit and wait 45 minutes every few hours. You may find that acceptable but many of us don't.

[lanstin]

I wouldn't find it acceptible but also I don't do that. Like people said more like 15 minutes. There's some art to it - don't charge to full during the trip, and to reduce your trip time, reduce your velocity to lower than max safe speed.

I do find it would be reasonable to pass laws to force you to switch to an EV even if it causes you some inconvenience, so that the likely future of my children and their peers is better.

[themaninthedark]

I plotted from Atlanta, GA to Harrisburg, PA. You can do the same, it calls for 2 ~ 25 minute charges and 2 ~ 30 minute charges.

That's not "more like 15 minutes."

I would assume their trip planner is already calculating the optimal balance of speed and charge.

>I do find it would be reasonable to pass laws to force you to switch to an EV even if it causes you some inconvenience, so that the likely future of my children and their peers is better.

I am glad that you are willing to restrict the ability of people to live their lives because it won't have an inverse impact to you.

This thread started with the parent belittling someone else for not having the same use case. It is a shame that it has continued in that direction rather than explore ways to capture all use cases.

[lanstin]

My data is mostly from having driven around longish trips on the West Coast where I expected it to be a much worse experience than it was, between the bath room breaks, food, faster charges when empty, etc.

If you haven’t tried it, I don’t think the idea that the route planning software gives does not reflect the actual experience, at least my experiences. Now I am not a hardcore stay in the car ten hours driver so YMMV.

The technology is getting rapidly better, all the use cases will be addressed before the fleet turns over. I had a leased Leaf in 2016 which was a lot worse than the used Model 3 I picked up in 2020, and the options I expect to have if I buy again seem to all be better each year. So far tho, the Leaf was destroyed in a pretty small fender bender, the Model 3 is holding up well.

[PH95VuimJjqBqy]

> I do find it would be reasonable to pass laws to force you to switch to an EV even if it causes you some inconvenience

of course you do, because fuck poor people.

[lanstin]

That’s why the phase out is for a long time and involves public subsidies.

I have ridden in cabs that were owner operated that were electric already. TCO was better for the owner despite their great cost consciousness. And a lot of poorer people drive very efficient cars, it’s the rich that tend to be the “showy wasters of resources, screw every one else” folks.

[PH95VuimJjqBqy]

> And a lot of poorer people drive very efficient cars

you're mistaking lower middle class for poor.

poor people drive whatever the hell they can afford and EV's, and their subsequent maintenance costs, aint that.

[themaninthedark]

It would be cool if we accepted that while the technology is getting better, it is not there for some use cases and people.

28% more is significant and just understand that we are not just talking about time spent. You factor that into my trip and suddenly I am awake for 2 more hours, more chance of a crash. Multiply that across the population and see what that does to death rates.