[phpisthebest]

I tend to keep my Vehicles longer than most people, currently I drive a 2015 model.

All that savings goes out the window if I am hit with with $40,000 to $60,000 repair bill to change the battery, even if my entire drive chain goes out in my ICE I am looking at probably $5,000 and that rarely happens.

batteries 100% will need replaced, and ICE can go decades with no major issues

[lanstin]

Except global warming.

[a_gnostic]

The grid not being able to handle recharging electric cars in every home, does not agree with your purist stance. Switching to hybrid vehicles, or an efficient generator at home, would be a responsible stopgap.

https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/208891-2016-12-14-darpa...

[lanstin]

For sure. But “stopgap” isn’t keeping a car for twenty years despite the flooding and storms and heat waves and that sort of thing over those decades. Moving some stuff to hybrids for a while isn’t a terrible idea. As well, moving some trips onto small electrics like bikes or tuk tuks. Lot of ways to mitigate the problem. My purist stance isn’t “do it my way only” but “gas burning has a major issue”.

[a_gnostic]

Since I grew up and left home, my dad kept using an inefficient freezer from the 1950's, my own family went through 5 of the newfangled energy-saving freezers, prompting me to question the environmental friendliness of most modern appliances, and cars.

Remember to factor in the supply chain, and shipping costs.

[lanstin]

If we keep burning the fossil fuels we are going to keep increasing the temperatures. If we switch the power plant the freezer is plugged into to power the freezer and the powerplant the factory making freezers is plugged into, and replace the trucks moving the freezers around, we improve the odds of a nice world in fifty years, regardless of whether or not the freezer is low tech cheap junk or not.

[themaninthedark]

How much is the environmental cost of a new battery vs environmental cost of gasoline hold up?

Otherwise we are just shifting where the pollution is happening.

[lanstin]

One needs to distinguish carbon dioxide and methane from your run of the mill toxic chemical pollution. It isn't a linear sum of "pollutants" but different substances with different effects.

[phpisthebest]

I have never and will never make a purchasing choice based on global warming

[lanstin]

Why?

[Solortho]

Because greenwashing with batteries mined by children and vegan soy-based food from toxic crops are just a way for snobs for virtue signaling.

[lanstin]

You might want to look into the science a bit more. The carbon burn is already having consequences all over the place. Transportation and energy are about 65 percent of the emissions, and solar, batteries, and electric vehicles are pretty simple ways to mitigate the harms. Cows are only about six percent of emissions, so relatively less important.

I don’t understand why this simple physical problem of absorbing more infrared radiation has become confused with class warfare. I don’t think the US manufactured batteries are more tied up in child,labor than like regular clothes and chocolate, and ending child labor across the globe is mostly independent of how we power transportation and energy.

There is a lot of greenwashing, but actually converting sectors of the economy to non-fossil fuel is not an example of that.

[pentae]

Just read a great book about this - Apocalypse Never. It's mostly just alarmism and white guilt mongering.