[lucaspm98]

I've charged my EV at a public charging station less than 5 times in the past year. Instead of a 5 minute stop once a week at a gas station it's 5 seconds every time I get home to plug it in.

Any trip within a 3 hour drive is possible round trip on a single charge. Any trip within a 5 hour drive is possible with no stops and destination charging, actually saving a stop.

Any trip over a 5 hour drive generally takes less time and costs less to fly (I'm sure with many edge cases around rural destinations). Even on long road trips, charging from 20-80% takes 15-20 minutes and most drivers will at least need a bathroom break every 3-4 hours.

New Tesla Model 3 prices are comparable to entry level sedans like the Civic and Camry. Used Chevy Bolt's are abundant at <$20k with much less ongoing maintenance costs versus used gas cars. There aren't yet affordable large SUVs and trucks if those are your only vehicles in consideration.

[wing-_-nuts]

>New Tesla Model 3 prices are comparable [in cost] to entry level sedans like the Civic and Camry.

I was with you until this. This is provably false just by going to the tesla and toyota websites.

[zaroth]

Well…

2024 Camry XLE with Nav and Cold Weather - $36,965

Tesla Model 3 - $38,990 - without any credits or subsidies.

But worth noting two things - first, there may be significant State tax credits for buying a Model 3, and the base Model 3 currently doesn’t qualify for the $7,500 Federal subsidy, only as of 12/31/23.

In other words, last week the base Model 3 was at least $7,500 cheaper than $38,990.

[DiggyJohnson]

Why are you not comparing base prices? This is extremely misleading as you're misrepresenting the Camry and including the rebate (even though you say you're not).

According to their US websites, the 2024 Camry starts at $26,420. The Model 3 starts at $46500 (not including the $7500 rebate).

[LUmBULtERA]

Base Model 3 in inventory right now near me is $36,440, fyi. LR version is $43,190. Both not including $7500 rebate.

[zaroth]

I just pulled the MSRP straight off “Order Now” on Tesla.com, I don’t know why you would see a different price.

Camry does have a lower end “LE” trim with cloth seats, 4.2” screen in center console, and also missing all of the following; navigation, sun/moon roof, heated seats & mirrors, smart key, driver assist / blind spot monitoring, memory seats, and power passenger seat… for $27,215.

The XLE trim is still lacking many Tesla features, but it’s at least somewhat more comparable to a base Model 3.

But still truly notable that 3 days ago the Tesla Model 3 was cheaper after tax credits in many states even than the starting base price of a Camry.

Hopefully the Model 3 battery sourcing can adapt to the changing tax credit regulations to have their base trim qualify again for the Federal credit. Currently only the Performance trim qualifies, which is funny in that it makes the Performance cheaper than the lower-spec’d Long Range.

[LUmBULtERA]

Key word was "inventory", not the custom order. Inventory is what Tesla has in stock on their lots near your location and are sold at a slight discount to the custom order price. Look for "Inventory" on the website rather than "Order".

FWIW, this would be somewhat comparable to what a dealer would actually be selling on a lot for a Toyota, because in reality you can't really custom order from Toyota and have to just get whatever the dealer has for you, though they often give you all kinds of crappy add-ons plus a dealer markup and other nonsense.

[DiggyJohnson]

Hmm, that’s interesting. Thanks for the correction

[megaman821]

With the rebate a Model 3 is within a couple grand of Camry similarly equipped.