[ekanes]

I agree about Netanyahu, sadly. But regarding a peaceful solution, one has to take into account the mentality and stated position of the two sides.

Whatever one thinks about land and settlements, it's worth noting that the Israelis are fighting against an opponent who targets their civilian population with the standard terror tactics along with systematic rape and torture [1], and who maintains that they will never stop as long as Israel exists (not borders, not land, nothing short of Israel's destruction).

The people advocating for a ceasefire generally aren't proposing a solution to the Israeli and international hostages held by Hamas, and who could be returned to Israel if Hamas truly wanted a ceasefire.

1. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-at...

[Qem]

> it's worth noting that the Israelis are fighting against an opponent who targets their civilian population with the standard terror tactics along with systematic rape and torture [1].

Even feminist organizations are raising doubts about NYT "investigation". See https://speakupeg.com/2023/12/30/nyts-disgraceful-investigat...

Also the family of Gal Abdush, a named victim, is distancing from the claims in the NYT report: https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1742251230922187212

[ekanes]

The footage of terrorists laughing as they torture and cut people up is deeply disturbing and shouldn't be dismissed. Sometimes, evil is simply evil. :(

[ethbr1]

On the one hand, Hamas terrorizes the Israeli population.

On the other hand, Israel has a decades-long genocidal plan against the West Bank. The fact that it's done quietly doesn't change its intent.

The intractability of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is: neither side is good, because both see the conflict as a fight for survival, and therefore justifying terrible means.

[yyyk]

If Israel had a genocidal plan against the West Bank, nobody would be alive there by now. It's just that people need to invent stuff for reasons.

[ethbr1]

No, that's just if they were obvious about it. Which is why one of the definitions of genocide is deliberately keeping a population fragmented, with the goal of eventual eradication.

[yyyk]

If you define everything as genocide, than of course genocide is everything. 'Keeping a population fragmented' is so vague it's almost everything, except genocide which requires killing people.