[IKantRead]

> only reason for using a traditional publisher is the cash advance then?

A few really important things come to mind:

- Editing. I'm not talking about mere copy editing which you can get done reasonably cheaply, but rather having an editor that is reading through everything and giving feedback is hugely important.

- Layout and printing of the book There's a lot that happens between writing and having a polished book in your hands. You can contract all this out but it adds a lot of work.

- Distribution. While the burden of marketing a book has increasingly fallen upon the author these days, if you want your book to be on the shelf at your local Barnes & Noble, then your much better off going with a traditional publisher.

- Prestige. Like it or not, the vast majority of people on Earth still look down upon self publishing. For some types of books this is less important: technical books and fantasy fiction books can go without in many cases (but if you want to use your book for credibility in something like consulting you'll still want a traditional publisher). But if you want to write on a serious topic it helps a lot to have an academic press publish your work, or if you want to really pursue writing literature you at least want some publisher that is recognized in your relevant community.

Currently I think the only really good use cases for self publishing are the fantasy fiction and niche technical book markets assuming you already have an audience. And even in those cases there are plenty of reasons to go with traditional publishers over self publishing.

[jrmg]

Not sure why you’re getting so many downvotes. The first two are definitely real issues with a lot of self-published work.

[drakonka]

I did not downvote, but just wanted to mention that the first two do not require a traditional publisher. In fact none of them do, but especially not the first two.

It is true that there are real quality issues with a lot of self-published work because you don't _need_ an editor to publish your book. Heck, you don't even need to do a self-edit pass. Write it and hit publish! But it is increasingly an expectation that you have one, because quality expectations are extremely high, especially for competitive money-making genres.

I started out self-editing and now pay for three professional edits for each release: developmental, copy, and proofread. Professional editors are not exclusive to traditional publishing houses.

[IKantRead]

I never claimed that they "require a traditional publisher", in fact I explicitly point out that you can pay for these yourself (though I can't imagine putting together a good team of editors without having prior publishing experience).

My point was that, in response to the parent claiming there's nothing traditional publishers offer, these are things that traditional publishers do in fact offer an author. If you write for a traditional publisher you mostly have to just worry about writing, and, unfortunately, marketing these days.

[AlbertCory]

Correct on Distribution & Prestige. If you claim trad publishing isn't necessary at all, then explain to me how you get:

1) placed in bookstores

2) on the "upcoming books" circulars that the trads send out to likely "author talk" venues

3) reviewed in mainstream media

[drakonka]

Ingram Spark provides global book store and library distribution.

[AlbertCory]

In practice, that just means if someone walks into a bookstore and asks for your book, they can buy it without going through Amazon.

[drakonka]

Yup, and if they think it'll sell then book stores can stock up more. Many book stores don't stock unless the book is distributed as returnable (in case it doesn't sell). Whether self pub or trad pub, unsold books returned by stores come back out of the author's cut. In many cases it doesn't even make sense for the author to physically reclaim returned books as the shipping and storage are more expensive, so they get destroyed.

[AlbertCory]

the funny bit is, you have to set a "retail price" in every country they operate in, and if you set it too low, the bookstore has a loss on each book. So you have to keep increasing the price until the margin is positive.

just in case someone in Australia goes to a bookstore and asks for it :)