[AtlasBarfed]

See: people working out even when injured, people who exercise to be as thin as possible. People doing steroids and other drugs for performance or appearance. These are edge cases.

They exist, and endorphins are using the addiction biological framework.

Regardless, exercise people.

[toolz]

Feel free to ignore this if it feels like nit-picking, but I'm particularly sensitive to "addiction" language.

We don't have a biological framework for addiction, we have a framework for building routines and healthy habits. The system is incredibly beneficial and we'd do ourselves a great disservice not utilizing that system to improve our health and lifestyle.

Again, I'm fairly sure we all understand what you're saying, but I find there's a great deal of cumulative power in the language/framing we use day-in and day-out and I believe my characterization isn't just optimistic, but more accurate.

[red-iron-pine]

> We don't have a biological framework for addiction

yeah, we do. and it involves neurotransmitters.

"addiction" may not be the right word in this (workout) context, but it's a well established concept in other contexts.

[toolz]

No, we don't - we have a biological framework for creating motivation for certain behaviors. This is a well established concept. Motivated behaviors (or habits) are the framework, addiction is when we misuse that framework. We're not born with some defect that gives us negative evolutionary fitness. That makes no sense at all.