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by brigadier132 902 days ago
Ah, please tell me the easy way to include interactive js demos in wordpress like the blog post author has. It's obvious that the blogpost author wants a level of customization that wordpress can't offer.

Also, trying new technologies was literally a goal of the project.
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dmje 902 days ago
I mean, write a simple plugin that enables you to embed these using a shortcode, if there isn't an existing plugin that does it already?

WordPress is insanely customisable - it's "just php". And sure, maybe his new skill learning could be coding on WordPress :-)

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brigadier132 902 days ago
> I mean, write a simple plugin that enables you to embed these using a shortcode

Ok, so learn php when they could just use js which they likely already know and likely get paid to know.

Wordpress and php are negative value skills, you do not want to advertise that you know those things as a developer because someone might try to hire you for them.

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ctnicholas 901 days ago
You've been hilariously accurate here—I was actually a WordPress dev for years, and now I don't mention it because I'm not interested in those jobs. Haven't even told any of my colleagues!
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joshmanders 902 days ago
> Wordpress and php are negative value skills, you do not want to advertise that you know those things as a developer because someone might try to hire you for them.

This was unnecessary.

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brigadier132 902 days ago
It's the truth, the jobs that use php are not the ones I want to work in. People are saying php is actually good nowadays but I have no reason or desire to learn it. I don't want to learn or work with wordpress, I already know as many scripting languages as I need to know, and there are no companies I want to work for that use php.

I'm already in the part of my career where learning another programming language is not what will take me to the next level so unless there is something unique about a programming language that makes it very useful I'm not interested in learning it.

Learning how to use more tools is not necessarily better when you are already proficient in other more flexible tools.

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joshmanders 902 days ago
Your personal view is not widespread though, your original message would have been better left off with out bashing PHP because YOU don't find a use for it.

There's billions of dollars in revenue generated yearly from PHP sites. And not just "legacy" either, I'm talking evergreen PHP apps being built and generating revenue.

It's just as alive and well if not even more alive than some other languages people prefer over it.

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dmje 902 days ago
Failing to understand what "Wordpress and php are negative value skills" even means. I'm pretty happy with the work I get paid for ;-)
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digging 902 days ago
It means I, for example, wish I didn't know how to use WP and PHP so I didn't have to work on them in our legacy apps. Because I don't want to write or read PHP. I'm much happier when I don't have to. Get paid the same either way.
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Retr0id 902 days ago
I'm not sure I'd want to prioritize PHP development as a new skill in 2023^H4.
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dmje 902 days ago
Again, pretty hilarious given how full featured and fast PHP is nowadays, but ok... I'm also gonna make a little private bet that PHP will outlast a fair amount of the currently trendy tooling...
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joshmanders 902 days ago
I'm with you on the anti-PHP hate, but FWIW PHP and JavaScript came out exactly 6 months apart from each other, and one is the only way to code in the browser, so I'd say both are pretty likely to last a long time.
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xmprt 902 days ago
I don't know much about the PHP landscape but at least with Javascript it seems like trendy frameworks change every 5 years. JS -> JQuery -> AngularJS -> React -> Angular 2 -> React Hooks -> Next -> ... Feels like the "right" way to do things keeps changing.
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joshmanders 902 days ago
The "right way" is subjective and the first mistake many people make IMO. What I think is the right way isn't always the right way for other people.

Tooling changing in JavaScript is unique to JavaScript only because of the language constraints. PHP, Ruby, etc are all controlled by the developer, whereas JavaScript is controlled by the browser vendors and end users of those browsers. You have more things to work around, inconsistencies to smooth over, and more importantly larger ambition on the frontend than most things can currently support, so new paradigms and frameworks come out to tackle that.

Also 5 years in internet time is a long time. So I'd probably not say it "changes so fast"

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