[connorp]

Thanks man. I spent 10 years working for Rabobank... Well I thought myself UI design. John who does the dev would say the same things as you. But I really think UI starts from the Dev. Example he was the one who met with the A/cant but still fought the simplicity. Then he'd say to me design a process for paying someone and you have to include xyz. I'd design it and send the screen back (not explaining them) if he didn't get a step we'd a prob and so on. If you look at the design I use it's just boxes. I'm not a graphic designer we just didn't have the money to hire one. But here is an interesting thing. If you look at dribbble it's full of beautiful design but when you then check out the sites they were designing for all their design is removed or broken (not all the time) so what that really says is keep it simple. As a point I use fireworks 8 - it's great at boxes and that all I can use. Means the site's super fast too. If you need any advice on it let me know follow me on twitter and we can share emails @peterconnor