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by Brian_K_White 906 days ago
I never said monopoly control. The entire point was that enforced monopoly control is not required. That is thinking way too simplistic. Companies get people to pay for things that they don't have to _all the time_, by all kinds of different means. They only also use government granted monopoly because why not if it's available.
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dventimi 906 days ago
>I never said monopoly control.

You didn't have to. When asked to name one example of corporations getting people to pay for things they don't have to, both of the examples you named were examples of a monopoly. Burberry, for instance, has a monopoly. Only Burberry can make bags with the iconic pattern and logo, and if you value the iconic pattern and logo for reasons you're not obliged to justify to anyone else, you DO have pay Burberry for the privilege. That's a monopoly, and it wouldn't exist if the government didn't maintain it.

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johnnyanmac 906 days ago
we're clearly splitting microscopic hairs if you're going so far to call a logo a market to have "monopoly" over. Even if governments didn't exist, people find all kinds of ways to differentiate "value" from brands. The entire hobbyist collectors market works this way.

Governments just make it easier for people who can hire lawyers to assert this. Much easier to send out a C&D (which stops most infractions) than to generate some sort of "code of quality" or whatnot.

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dventimi 906 days ago
>we're clearly splitting microscopic hairs if you're going so far to call a logo a market to have "monopoly" over

Your claim that we're splitting hairs, microscopic or otherwise, is not strengthened by adding the word "clearly." If you don't like calling a trademarked logo a monopoly then I suggest you take it up with Wikipedia. Go ahead and edit at least these pages to correct their errors which tend to confuse trademarks with government-granted monopolies, something that is "clearly" a mistake according to you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government-granted_monopoly

>Even if governments didn't exist, people find all kinds of ways to differentiate "value" from brands. The entire hobbyist collectors market works this way.

Works what way? I have no idea what you're talking about.

>Governments just make it easier for people who can hire lawyers to assert this

Without governments there wouldn't even be lawyers.

>Much easier to send out a C&D (which stops most infractions)

Who's going to listen to a "C&D" if the government is unwilling to enforce it?

Again, there would not be big corporations without patents, copyrights, trademarks, and other forms of government-granted monopolies. If you think there somehow would be, I'd love to hear it.

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Brian_K_White 905 days ago
"there would not be big corporations without patents, copyrights, trademarks, and other forms of government-granted monopolies. If you think there somehow would be, I'd love to hear it."

You have just spent a day refusing to hear it.

It is patently ridiculous to think that money will fail to money just because of any single aspect of the environment.

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dventimi 905 days ago
>"You have just spent a day refusing to hear it.*

No, I have spent a day trying to persuade you to explain it. Now, I'm prepared to accept that you can't.

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