[skeeter2020]

This is NOT the new normal, and we should NOT accept it. Everyone here should do their part; for example, I'm more often a hiring manager and will not tolerate ghosting anyone who gets to any interaction with engineering. IME it's lazy recruiters who are responsible for this, and they're about as big of a part of tech as an accountant, i.e. very little.

I don't understand why many people are hesitant to name and shame the individuals and companies. It doesn't matter if it was intentional or accidental the outcome is the same, and I have consistently been very vocal with my being ghosted experiences. Surprise, surprise: they're consistent on a company-basis and highly corelated to other shitty experiences, both before and during employment.

[LargeTomato]

SpaceX.

I interned in 2018. I was told jobs were available for interns but I never heard back.

They contacted 12 months later for an interview but ghosted after the phone screen.

Contacted again in 2021 for an interview out of the blue. I complete the cycle and they say, verbatim, "you made a great impression on the team and they would really like to hire you. ... We will send over the paperwork later this week."

No paperwork. I get a call 2 weeks later that the VP thought my GPA was too low so my offer was reneged. The recruiter apologized and asked if I wanted to re interview for a new team. I ghosted her.

[tayo42]

> I don't understand why many people are hesitant to name and shame the individuals and companies.

The risk for repercussion isn't worth it. Your going to go online and stir up shit? Corporate culture is way to risk averse. If you are the kind of person getting ghosted and rejected from interviews you evidently aren't a person with any leverage in the hiring market.

[stevekemp]

In my experience companies with bad practices (be they recruitment, or otherwise) are named and shamed frequently - but only locally, and in-person.

I'm not going to relocate from my current city (Helsinki), though perhaps I could go back to working remotely 100% of the time in the future. So really the only companies I'm ever going to apply for are based locally.

I think via IRC, facebook, random geeky chats in pubs, and other face to face conversations I'm slightly familiar with most of the big players. There are certainly companies I've heard of that I'd never consider applying to, and would outright reject if a recruiter tried to head-hunt me for. And I think the reverse is true - some companies are well known locally for having fun challenges, awesome people, and a good environment.

[ponderings]

I've had strange success walking up to the guy, telling him I want us to deliver fantastic work together, I want to work with you - together. What I don't want is to go to the boss and tell him you've fucked up, you are lazy, that you are doing a poor job and that we would be better off without you. This is the last thing I want. The best outcome is that we get someone else who knows nothing. If that doesn't happen you would blame me. Then I give him a detailed list of things I think they should have done differently.

It costs a few relationship points but they do respect the practicality of it.

[zero-sharp]

>If you are the kind of person getting ghosted and rejected from interviews you evidently aren't a person with any leverage in the hiring market.

Haha wow.

[y-c-o-m-b]

There should definitely be a larger effort to name and shame. I'm not currently job hunting, but in the past I have considered starting a site to document companies and the individual recruiters that are ghosting. It might be worth-while for anyone job hunting currently to start a google sheet or something along those lines to do just that since it's so common now.

[sshine]

At the least, ghosting sends a clear signal that the employer is not a place where clear communication is valued.

I would much rather be ghosted than waste time communicating poorly for an extended period of time.

[senderista]

Fine: Yugabyte.