[marc_io]

Given the increasing number of people using page builders and no-code tools, these novelties are, in practice, either invisible or delayed for a large portion of websites until it makes business sense for the companies behind the software powering these tools.

[marginalia_nu]

I think in general that the accessibility of CSS and HTML5 kinda sucks.

Hypercard and Flash are both great examples of the sort of creative cottage industries that can emerge when you provide more accessible means of building stuff. There's like a generations of designers that grew up playing with these sorts of tools.

[solardev]

I'm glad Figma is around now, but yeah, the creative authoring experience is really sad these days. We don't even have a modern equivalent to Dreamweaver or Frontpage anymore :/

[marc_io]

Wappler and Pinegrow are the closest, I think. Desktop apps with visual authoring capabilities, while also supporting plain code.

[coev]

You can still use dreamweaver if you're really a glutton for pain https://www.adobe.com/products/dreamweaver.html

[deathtrader666]

Webflow and Plasmic seem to have taken up those spots.

[marc_io]

Bricks Builder on the WordPress side is really interesting for this.