[jqpabc123]

Live by the patent, die by the patent.

No sympathy deserved or earned.

[dang]

OK, but please don't post generic flamewar comments to HN. This kind of thing leads to repetitive threads that have happened many times before, which is not the curious conversation we're trying for here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

[jqpabc123]

Ok.

But I do feel compelled to respectfully suggest that the following discussion lacks much in the way of what I would call "flames".

[dang]

That could be. But we have to moderate by the general pattern, even though not every thread works out that way. It's basically about whether the expected value of a thread is flamewar or not.

[dylan604]

agreed. the richest company on the planet with its massive army of lawyers are either incompetent and could not see they would be affected by an existing patent, or so egotistical that they felt they could bully their way around it. either way, that's not a good look for Apple in this.

[sokoloff]

Presumably the patent litigator also knows all of those facts and may have been holding out for too much money (in Apple’s calculus) and the long-run game is better for Apple if they take some short-term pain now in exchange for being known as a difficult target.

Apple will be fine without watch sales for a long time if needed.

[mthoms]

According to the Massimo CEO, Apple has not made any offer whatsoever to resolve this.

[sokoloff]

That not incongruent with a strategy to wait out a patent holder and thereby be known as a difficult target.

Apple’s under no obligation to offer a settlement.

[mthoms]

>That not incongruent with a strategy to wait out a patent holder and thereby be known as a difficult target.

For sure. But it does counter the suggestion you made that Massimo may have been "holding out" for more money.

>Apple’s under no obligation to offer a settlement.

Agreed. I never suggested otherwise.

[sokoloff]

Ah. In my mind “holding out” does not require a settlement offer to be proposed by the counterparty.

If you ask the price to buy my 2005 Honda CRV (license my patent) and I tell you $250K ($250M/yr), many would think I was holding out even if you (Apple) correctly roll your eyes and don’t engage.

[Grazester]

I don't know when this was said but wouldn't offering to resolve be acknowledgement that there was infringement on Apple's part? Maybe now there will be willing to negotiate something

[fsckboy]

no, you can have settlement discussions without affecting the case.

[dylan604]

Assuming Apple is in a 2-year cycle with the watch like its other devices, what are the odds the offending part of the series 9 watch is also in the series 10 watch with not enough time to remove it before the 10 release. it would make the 10 necessary to be pushed back while they retool the product or continue negotiating for a licensing agreement

[cozzyd]

Or they could remove the feature (I don't find the pulse ox particularly useful on my Garmin watch... When I go to high altitude I bring my cheapo pulse ox from Walgreens that is supposedly much more as accurate). Or find some other way to implement it (Garmin, at least, has implemented it differently).