[thebruce87m]

I’ve replaced my diesel with an EV and it’s better in every way. Cheaper to run, less waiting since I charge at home, faster car, more spacious inside, better tech. Definitely a practical replacement for some.

The fuel savings alone are around £1,200/year for me on 10k miles per year. Once the price of the cars come down this will be a big saving for a lot of people.

[pardoned_turkey]

It's a bit weird because electricity delivered to your home is generally more expensive than fossil fuels. What currently makes EVs cheaper to operate is that at the pump, you pay hefty taxes that go toward road maintenance and related purposes. For now, this taxation disparity incentivizes driving EVs. In the long haul, this will probably go away.

I'm surprised by the "more spacious" comment, however. In the same size class, EVs tend to be more cramped because of how much space is needed for batteries. Even for large cars, like the Cybertruck, the trade-offs are fairly evident. No spare tire, for example.

[dangrossman]

> For now, this taxation disparity incentivizes driving EVs. In the long haul, this will probably go away.

31 states already have an extra annual/registration fee for EVs to make up for the lost gas tax revenue. Often the annual fee on EVs is higher than the average amount of state gas tax paid by the average driver, but this still comes out to just $100-300 per year. This is like 25-50% of typical fuel savings of EV vs ICE vehicles even at today's very low gas prices.

[itsoktocry]

>What currently makes EVs cheaper to operate is that at the pump, you pay hefty taxes that go toward road maintenance and related purposes. For now, this taxation disparity incentivizes driving EVs. In the long haul, this will probably go away.

It will certainly go away, and with it one of the major non-environmental reasons to own an EV: fuel costs.

[tadfisher]

Per unit of work? I highly doubt it, because you're losing at least 60% of the fuel energy to heat.

Ah, but the EPA did the math for me, and you're pretty much correct, even considering efficiency: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_gallon_equivalent

[thebruce87m]

My Model Y has over 900L of storage. The frunk and space below the boot combined are almost like having a second boot. Plus the lack of “middle hump” makes the back more roomy.

[Geisterde]

Well thats the rub innit. I loved the bmw i3, I love my tesla even more, but they are f'in expensive cars, my coworkers are coming to work in beaters that cost less than a fifth of what I spent on my model 3, my down payment was more than several of the cars in my parking lot.

[itsoktocry]

>less waiting

This is such a nonsensical argument. I own two cars, and have a bit of a commute. I gas up once a week, it takes 10 minutes. What are you "waiting" for? There's a gas station on the corner in every town across North America.

Meanwhile, the same EV crowd talk about stopping for 30 minutes at a time on road trip to charge and go to the washroom.

[Spivak]

I think the idea is if you plug it in every night you will never have to stop to refuel for every driving scenario except long roadtrips.

EV > ICE for commuters and local driving.

ICE >>> EV for long distances the commonality of which seems to be grossly downplayed for most of the US.

The estimated range for a 2023 Chevy Bolt is 259 miles where hitting 250 miles is a short drive for a weekend trip in the midwest. For a friend's bachelorette party which was a 4 day weekend we drove 600 miles one way nonstop. If you're a 2+ car family an EV is a no brainer for the second car.

[thebruce87m]

10 minutes a week is 8 hours a year you are waiting. I don’t have to do that. I plug in at night and unplug in the morning. I haven’t used a public charger for months.

On the last long journey I did the car was charged before I’d finished eating, so no waiting there either.