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by Piezoid 904 days ago
Why not add a pressure relief valve on the quench path with a very loud whistle? That should be enough to take care of such rare and compounded failures.

What does recall means in this context? De-energizing the superconductor and shipping it back? Seems like a waste and a planning nightmare.

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A bursting disc is commonly used -- the diameter of the quench pipe is typically around 20 - 30 cm. The gas flow rates are insane; a PRV would fail and likely still not reduce the pressure inside quickly enough.

Remember, cryostats are like Russian dolls suspended on torsion wire. You want the mass of the metal inside to be as low as possible because it forms cold bridges to the outside world and increases the boil-off rate. Quenches should not happen once the magnet leaves the factory, but until that point it's not uncommon for a machine to have several "training" quenches as the (typically NbSn or NbTi) superconducting wire effectively anneals in place. A fixable giant hole in the top (with a graphite, insulating series of bursting discs) is the approach usually taken.

I do not work with MRIs, but I work next to the guys who run the NMRs (which is the ~same technology). It is my understanding that all of these super cooled magnets are designed for the eventuality of an emergency quench. Which means the machine has a direct path to evacuate the gas, and it should be piped into the building's HVAC so that if a quench does happen, the people in the area do not suffocate because of lack of oxygen.

A surprising amount of maintenance can occur while the magnets are cold and energized. My armchair-uniformed-guess is that they can replace the not-always-working relief path without venting.

I suspect this recall is precisely because someone figured that the relief path wouldn't work.