[foverzar]

> they are putting their political system -- which is de facto a dictatorship selected periodically by a small ruling clique -- as an alternative model to democracy.

Oh please. Just because you people in the west are stuck in the 20th century and have an unyielding urge to reformat other nations and instill a political system you're familiar with, doesn't mean anyone else cares for this kind of idiocy. Stop projecting.

You're just like USSR with its obsession with "global revolution" and counterproductive dichotomies. And just like it happened with USSR, everyone else is getting pretty pissed with all that zealous crap that doesn't amount to anything but guised political opportunism IRL.

It's not like your specific approach to governance looks any less shitty to other cultures. Grow up, embrace diversity, learn to play nice with others - yours is the last civilization that needs to take a long hard look at itself. Either naturally, or through some major political crisis, or, worst case scenario, everyone else will just gang up on you like Saudis, China, US, WEU and many others did on USSR, if god forbid all that global (outside NATO and its few aspirants) distaste for bullshit "holier than thou" attitude reaches a boiling point.

Srsly, grow up. Traveling and meeting new people is extremely helpful in that regard.

[aaomidi]

What’s really funny is that the democracy Americans keep touting as some amazing system is currently stripping away rights from:

Queer folk

Women

Pro-Palestinian people

Maybe it’s time to question if your democracy is at a point to be exported to the rest of the world (?)

[mikrotikker]

Which rights exactly?

[aaomidi]

Are you serious? lol

Maybe let’s start with the basic one that’s abortion?

[Levitz]

This is a map of countries in which abortion is legal:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Ab...

This is a map of democratic countries:

https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/18737.jpeg

You might notice a resemblance. Want to do gay rights next?

[defrost]

Your maps appear to support the premise put forward by aaomidi.

The USofA is labelled there as not very democratic, grouped as with "Flawed Democracies" and the premise put forward was that US Democracy was stripping rights (eg: abortion) and perhaps wasn't a great example of a good democracy.

[foverzar]

> You might notice a resemblance.

Only if you really-really squint and look only at americas, while ignoring most of Eurasia and huge chunk of Africa where most of the world's population happens to live.

I hardly see much of a global correlation here.

[mikrotikker]

Try another? The abortion issue is clearly used by either side to drive division, they don't want to fix it. So it's less a stripping and more of a peasants stuck in the middle kind of thing.

[callalex]

Can you name one non-democracy that isn’t doing exactly those same things?

[aaomidi]

I never said non democracies are good. I just said our democracy isn’t mature enough.

[peyton]

I dunno, the whole point of a government based on natural rights theory is the government isn’t the giver of rights, so it can’t strip people of rights. If you’re thinking of privileges granted by a group of doctrinaires, that’s more like an ecclesiastical polity.

[callalex]

Ok, then what was the point you were actually trying to make while listing minority groups with high specificity?

Let’s start from a point of common understanding: I agree that it is a bad thing to oppress minority groups.