[kortilla]

“Illegals are gonna take my job” is a caricature by people who don’t want to engage legitimate concerns of people who care about stopping illegal immigration.

The biggest concern is the pressure on social safety nets, the cost put on taxpayers, and the resulting crime many get forced into precisely because they can’t get legitimate jobs.

[edrxty]

They don't qualify for social security but are paying into it and other than that there aren't any real social safety nets in this country anyway so I still do not understand this logic in the least.

[kortilla]

They are not refused medical care and they receive food from local food kitchens. We pay for their survival whether or not it comes from typical SSN, EBT, etc.

They do not pay into social security if they are completely undocumented because they can’t get a traditional paycheck. The jobs that they do get are paid under the table which avoids taxation on both the payer and the payee.

[ceejayoz]

> They do not pay into social security if they are completely undocumented because they can’t get a traditional paycheck.

This isn't true.

Some use fake/borrowed/stolen SSNs. Others do 1099 work on-the-books with an EIN.

https://www.marketplace.org/2019/01/28/undocumented-immigran...

> According to New American Economy, undocumented immigrants contributed $13 billion into the Social Security funds in 2016 and $3 billion to Medicare. Three years prior, the Chief Actuary of the Social Security Administration, Stephen Goss, wrote a report that estimated undocumented immigrants contributed $12 billion into Social Security.

[kortilla]

That’s irrelevant when you don’t have any per capita contributions. Just because some use a stolen SSN (which I’m sure you’ll assure me they only use for taxes and not benefits) doesn’t mean the majority do or that it’s a net contribution.