[g-b-r]

Honestly anyhow I have a distaste for US right of speech and its enormously broad interpretation, so I'm not too interested in debating its applications.

(I support the right to express your opinions, at most)

I also think that at the base of most US problems there's the freedom to corrupt politicians ("lobbying"), so, yeah, I really don't care much how legal it is

[WendyTheWillow]

But you seem utterly incapable of justifying those beliefs to others...

Your beliefs are worthless to everyone else if you can't explain them, and no all you've done so far is declare what you believe to be correct, and have crumpled at the slightest sign of resistance. That demonstrates the weakness of your belief.

[g-b-r]

My reply is: whatever.

If you're here to win debates for the sake of it, you can have the last word.

I only mentioned those beliefs and I'm not interested in debating them in a hacker news thread, right now.

[WendyTheWillow]

This isn’t a debate, this is me getting you to reveal how little weight you have behind what you believe.

This is useful because if anyone else reads this, they will get a pretty standard idea of how people who think like you can’t really justify their beliefs when challenged.

I do appreciate it, but I doubt you do. Easier to dismiss me and ignore any dissent, than it is to consider that you might actually be the bad guy here.

I told you this approach weakens your advocacy. Too bad you can’t listen.

[g-b-r]

I TRIED to debate the core of the issue, and you haven't read what I said.

This branch of the thread was just about a mention of some ideas that I have no intention to discuss right now.

Not that you offered any support for your ideas, other than "I think that my constitution says so".

If you're for freedom of companies corrupting politicians and politicians lying to everyone, you're free to be, maybe you're on the side who benefits from it.

I was hoping to have closed the discussion about eight messages ago, I'm not really here for this.

[peyton]

Tyranny cloaks itself in morality. Nothing new. I hope most people know we don’t need that kind of advocacy.

[WendyTheWillow]

Morality is what separates us from animals. The suggestion right and wrong don’t exist is the real tyranny. It's what evil people say to do evil things.