[jeroenhd]

I think that's unfair. There are a lot of Javascript programmers that are perfectly competent.

Unfortunately, the trash "become a programmer in three days" bootcamps and scam courses all target web development, flooding the market with people who were taught one or two tricks and told they're the cream of the crop and should definitely not ask for their money back if nobody wants to hire them.

It's the same problem PHP and Python have suffered from: when your programming language and API is accessible and easy to use, you'll attract a lot of beginners and people who skipped the hard parts.

For some reason, the frontend world seems intent on reinventing itself every five years or so. The backend world works in cycles of 10 to 20 years, but it's going through the same motions. Everything became C, then C++ and Delphi came along, then everything became Java and DotNet, mow everything is becoming Go and Rust, and every iteration brings about new design concepts and paradigms.

[austin-cheney]

Find me common JavaScript employment without use of a framework or to merely put text on screen and you will prove me wrong.

[jeroenhd]

What business doesn't use some kind of framework, even for the backend? I've never heard of a successful business building everything from scratch, usually you'll have something like Qt for GUI construction, or Django/Ktor/ASP.NET for a web server.

I believe Wikipedia uses mostly frameworkless Javascript, but, as you might expect from any sufficiently sized project, they have come up with their own frameworks instead.

[no_wizard]

Wikipedia is migrating to Vue[0]

[0]: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Vue.js