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by yieldcrv 913 days ago
to strengthen your argument, you can acknowledge that no system we had was doing what you wish

there are magical criteria like culture fit which is inherently discretionary and biased which should be penalized too

DEI as you have experienced isnt a solution for that either

one reality is that companies dont always need most the cognitively/physically qualified person. they need to tap into markets and revenue, companies that have already reached the peak of their primary market gain perspective by having people of backgrounds more in align with markets they aspire to be in. Many large companies are in that position and should be ignoring employee reindeer games about pedigree and performance.

although one most complaint alteration of DEI is just recruiting from different sources that might have more minorities, like different schools, or even creating the pipeline in those schools, where the goal is more talent that happens to perform as well as existing talent, there is a parallel effort where none of that matters if the organization’s expansion into markets simply relies more on familiarity with that market. Do both, I say

but other organizations that are just metoo-ing DEI should absolutely be called out

all organizations that implemented it for arbitrary reasons should be called out

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> there are magical criteria like culture fit which is inherently discretionary and biased which should be penalized too

OK, I have been rejected once -- during the interview no less, not via an email after -- because I said I am not into Game of Thrones. Apparently everyone on the team's pass time was chatting about it. They openly told me I don't fit in because I don't like GoT, even though the interview before that was an exhaustive technical one and I passed with 93% score.

Whom should I contact so they get penalized?

You realize these are private companies and they are not accountable to how they achieve their results as long as the means are not illegal, right?

And you do realize suing them over this will take a huge amount of time and money? Money that most working people don't have?

> one reality is that companies dont always need most the cognitively/physically qualified person.

Whose reality is that? I haven't seen it ever. Business makes money by hiring N people with capability X, and not N*5 people with capability X/5. Otherwise business will go broke paying salaries to incapable people. Common sense.

I get that you are saying that you might need people who understand certain markets better and that's practically their only skill but... on a more general premise the statement "you don't always need the most qualified person" is just confusing.

> on a more general premise the statement "you don't always need the most qualified person" is just confusing.

obviously its paradoxical because the person with the only skill that differs from the rest of the entire corporation would be the most qualified person. I tried to qualify that with other ways. I'm glad that we used language to convey a shared understanding, which is the purpose of language.

Regarding how to hold corporations accountable for hiring bias, I never broached that at all. "Culture fit" likely has a limited halflife, where legislatures or labor agencies will just discourage the word and that kind of discretion. labor agencies use their own budget from taxpayers or the state's other revenue sources to bring action to corporations, you should check them out, they might have found the Game of Thrones criteria to be window dressing for a sanctionable form of employment discrimination, that other people have already complained about. So that suggests your reality is either hyperbole or ignorance, easily remediable with accurate guidance.