[Grustaf]

It’s not Stockholm syndrome, you incorrectly assume that every iPhone owner is some kind of mini Stallman. Most people really don’t care about all this stuff, they just want a product that works well, with minimum fuss. They don’t care about third party appstores. Sideloading, open sourcing imessage and all this linux hacker stuff.

[treyd]

> Most people really don’t care about all this stuff, they just want a product that works well, with minimum fuss.

And nonetheless there's demonstrable harm to the broader industry being caused despite their lack of care about it. Corporate misbehavior you're not consciously aware of can still cause you harm despite not being consciously aware of it.

[Grustaf]

Sure, when it comes to things like pollution, or for Apple, child labour. But the broader industry is not harmed by Apple not releasing the Messages app for Android, that’s just silly.

[prmoustache]

> they just want a product that works well

It doesn't if it can't reliably do basic things like sending e2ee messages to people using smartphones from other brands with its default messaging app.

[agos]

is there a device that does this, or are we measuring iPhone's performance on some unrealistic standard?