[nerdjon]

Did you watch the linked video?

Your "freedom" is allowing kids to be abused since they don't have the checks of other adults being able to see them.

A bare minimum "are the kids physically ok" doesn't remove any of your freedom unless you consider starving and beating your kids a "Freedom" you care about.

[rufus_foreman]

For any type of education, you can point to instances of abuse. For home schooling, for public schools, for private schools, for religious schools, for universities. Kids are regularly shot to death in numbers in public schools, for example. People have been beaten and abused in private schools.

What they are trying to do is to use scare stories about home schooling to scare people into giving up their freedom. It's the same tactic that's used all the time to get people to give up their rights, to get us into wars, and so on.

I want more freedom, not less. I won't let authoritarian fear tactics change that.

[BackBlast]

> Your "freedom" is allowing kids to be abused since they don't have the checks of other adults being able to see them.

At what cost? Innocent until proven guilty means that we don't treat people like criminals until you have a reasonable suspicion at a minimum.

You don't get to load spyware on everyone's computer because someone, somewhere, committed a crime on a computer. You don't get to remove all end to end cryptography so you can snoop. No, just no. Our society is flirting with these ideas, and they are BAD ideas.

On balance, the abuse happening in homeschooling household is microscopic compared to the abuse happening in current public schools. Both the every day kind and the dramatic makes the news murders and suicides. Put them on even scales rather than putting the specs of dust on the other side under a microscope.

[throwawa14223]

The public is not obligated to make the investigation of crimes easy. All surveillance removes freedom.

[nerdjon]

There is a major difference between "make the investigation of crimes easy" and being able to even know they happened in the first place.

Children are incredibly vulnerable and we should be able to put basic protections in place.

It is not surveillance to require in some form that an adult in the system sees your child on some regular basis. This is something that your child simply being in school provides.

Either a way for an adult to notice that something is very wrong or a safe place for a child to report something.

[throwawa14223]

> It is not surveillance to require in some form that an adult in the system sees your child on some regular basis. This is something that your child simply being in school provides.

That is surveillance in the same what that checking in with a probation officer is a form of surveillance. Just like encryption I'm not obligated to live my life in a way that makes detecting crimes easy or possible.