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by toyg 915 days ago
> used "EU" as umbrella term to mean the institutions and national governments

I.e. "the people", according to the various national constitutions. Unless you're actually stating that all EU governments have never represented their electorate for over 50 years, which is a bit of an extraordinary claim, your original point is fundamentally baseless.

> EU law extensively governs these aspects as well.

That's basically not true. The Dutch government can and does, for example, tax non-Dutch citizens extra amounts for healthcare, and/or remove them from the country. It can, and does, regulate how the non-Dutch can rent or buy property and where. The only thing it cannot do is stopping people from entering the country from another member country to look for a job, or stop them from getting such job. Everything else is fair game.

> And here we have it. The usual blurb

Please read what I wrote, not whatever strawman you wish I had written.

> We could divide immigration by 10 [...] and still get the real, actual "talent".

Note that I said talent and labor. You need basic labor to grow as much as you need advanced talent. Even Japan imported Iranian laborers during the stagflation years, effectively just to maintain the levels they already had. That's a simple function of increased wealth: the more people get wealthy, the less they want to break their backs doing hard jobs. So you either push up wages around the board, with massive inflationary pressures which will make everything even worse, or you import some basic labor. That doesn't mean 700k, obviously, but realistically it doesn't mean 1k either.

> They are used to hide the decline of the UK economy

I think you overestimate the strategic abilities of UK politicians. They are just incompetent buffoons propped up by propaganda based on obsoleted assumptions and lies, without any real ideological horizon.

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> The Dutch government can and does, for example, tax non-Dutch citizens extra amounts for healthcare, and/or remove them from the country. It can, and does, regulate how the non-Dutch can rent or buy property and where. The only thing it cannot do is stopping people from entering the country from another member country to look for a job, or stop them from getting such job. Everything else is fair game.

No. EU/EEA citizens must be treated as local citizens, and there are very strict and limiting rules on deporting an EU citizen (so yes, they can deport you but only if you meet a pretty high threshold of creating problems and abusing the local benefits system). They have obviously more freedom over non-EU citizens but still that is limited since discrimination based on nationality is generally illegal. I don't think that renting or buying property is restricted, at least as long as the person is a legal resident when it comes to renting (same as here in the UK).

As an example, this is why when the UK was an EU member EU citizens from the EU could study in Scottish universities for free (equal treatment with local residents under EU law) while residents of England could not (Scottish law)!