[khzw8yyy]

But how can it be anything other than a zero-sum game? We are biomechanical units with a limited lifespan. We rent out this lifespan to the highest bidder we can access. And then we die.

And if one of the bio robots happens to be in a different position in the hierarchy (a founder maybe) - their task is to arrange the other biorobots just so and extract maximum output from them before they expire.

Sure, one can work to maximize the extraction and perhaps that's progress in someone's view. But it seems more geared towards ignoring the basic biology of the units involved and pushing them as hard as possible. They are a renewable resource after all, so churning through them faster means more efficiency.

In other words, anyone claiming that life is not a zero-sum game better be ready to demonstrate how immortality is possible. Otherwise it's bovine excrement.

[mistermann]

> But how can it be anything other than a zero-sum game? We are biomechanical units with a limited lifespan. We rent out this lifespan to the highest bidder we can access. And then we die.

Do you recall the spontaneous (yet short lived) concern everyone (well, right thinking people at least) had for the well-being of their fellow human (well, fellow countrymen at least) during the COVID phenomenon?

It seems to me that people can be nice to each other, provided you tell them an adequately persuasive story.

[khzw8yyy]

No, I don't recall that. I recall a lot of flame wars and virtue signaling about mask wearing. I recall a lot of denial of science because of ideology and fear. And a lot of name calling.

[mistermann]

Do you believe that the people in question didn't have sincere (at least in some way, and to some degree) concern for the well being of others?

Or perhaps a better way to ask: do you believe that all/most people were engaged in conscious deceit?