[thecodrr]

Oh wow. Just heard the Notesnook is on the front page of HN. I am the co-founder so if you have any questions, feel free to ask.

Oh and to clear a few confusions:

1. Notesnook is 100% open source. That includes the server, client apps, and everything else. It's not partially open source.

2. Zero knowledge does not mean Zero Knowledge Proof but Zero Knowledge as in we, the company and people behind Notesnook, have no knowledge regarding what you have in your notes. I see that this might be more accurately called "no knowledge".

[4ggr0]

> Notesnook is 100% open source. That includes the server

What about self-hosting?

[prometheon1]

The situation seems to be documented in the server repo: https://github.com/streetwriters/notesnook-sync-server?tab=r...

[4ggr0]

hmm...i wonder why it's taking so long to make the server self-hostable...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38708878

EDIT: maybe it takes a long time to do that, i don't know. it made me a bit suspicious, but I shouldn't assume malice.

[thecodrr]

There's no point in offering users self hosting if you are going to throw them into a fire by doing so. Notesnook is rapidly evolving and changing, and hoping for self hosted users to keep up is impractical. Instead, we want to first stabilize the backend, and then think about self hosting.

After v3, our primary focus will be on self hosting and getting an audit done.

[4ggr0]

> Notesnook is rapidly evolving and changing, and hoping for self hosted users to keep up is impractical

I don't know...does self-host equal slow changes? For me that's part of being a self-hoster, I have to keep the softwares up-to-date, and I actually appreciate if updates are frequent.

> After v3, our primary focus will be on self hosting

Sounds good, good luck on further development, if I ever see a self-hosting guide I'll check y'all out ;)

[thecodrr]

Not slow changes. Offering self hosted officially means that we have to be aware of users who are self hosting before we make any drastic changes, writing migrating guides, and giving some sort of support. All that has an impact on productivity.

[cyanydeez]

I've got a similar app in process. ultimately, the value of these apps if open source seem to be in cloud server setups.

I'm working to get a webrtc type light server

[Sean-Der]

That’s a cool idea.

Do you see this server as a way make it easier to build ‘P2P first apps’?

Have some signaling and make Data Channel so can be a peer also.

[cyanydeez]

yes, it's a pwa so offline first. it uses yjs with webrtc for p2p generically and the "last mile" will be a "light" electron app that you can use via webrtc to store files .

no technical server, so really the only infrastructure is the signalling, and it's straight forward to scale that.

might still be a niche but it serves my day job needs. field work and reporting asynchronous is a pain.

[franky47]

Note: small typo on the landing page, Aragon2 should be Argon2 (unless there's a new password hashing algorithm in town I don't know about).

[cyanydeez]

plan for offline mode, and a webrtc as server mode.

that's pretty much the gold standard I'm headed for.