[pshirshov]

> You punish people in order to provide incentives for people that would align with society's goals.

If everything is determenistic, there is no "you" and "you" aren't doing anything.

What happened always was the only possible outcome. There is nothing to worry about. If someone eats someone else it was predetermined. If we don't punish the cannibal - well, that was predetermined as well.

[mewpmewp2]

Yes, but this type of behaviour occurred logically from emergent behaviour because it performed well throughout evolution. Groups who were able to keep their members in check were the groups who won out. So we have the inherent motivation and desire to punish others to keep them in check.

There's ever lasting power balance within a group, where group will perform well if everyone does well for the group, leading to this prisoner's dilemma situation where a sole bad actor could still outperform everyone in the group that otherwise works together, so these incentives must be set in such a way that it wouldn't be beneficial for bad actors to take advantage of the rest of the group.

[pshirshov]

You can't have desires or motivation in a determenistic world.

[mewpmewp2]

You can. It's just chemicals and signals that you "feel".