[throwaway2037]

The original "Thanks Regan" comment makes no sense to me.

To be clear, President Regan fired all striking air traffic controllers in 1981. The same Wiki article says: <<The FAA had initially claimed that staffing levels would be restored within two years; however, it took closer to 10 years before the overall staffing levels returned to normal.>>

So that means, FAA had enough controllers by 1991. What does that incident have to do with today's shortage? Nothing.

Deeper: I tried to Google why is there a shortage of air traffic controllers in the United States. The root cause appears unclear to me. I found this article[1], that says: <<Secretary Buttigieg did have some promising news right after Labor Day, when he announced that 1,500 air traffic controllers had been hired this year after an aggressive recruiting campaign and a raise in starting salary to $127,000 a year.>>

That is a huge salary in the United States. I'm surprised this is not attracting more qualified candidates. This tells me that this requirements to become an FAA-certified air traffic controller are incredibly strict. Does anyone know why EU / Japan / Korea does not have the same issues? (All highly-advanced, wealthy nations with lots of air travel.)

[1] https://www.afar.com/magazine/air-traffic-controller-shortag...

[lmm]

> Does anyone know why EU / Japan / Korea does not have the same issues?

Because over there the job comes with a strong union and real job security?

[refurb]

Like the pilots of Singapore Airlines?

In the words of Lee Kuan Yew…

“I gave them a choice. Continue this and I will by every means at my disposal teach you and get the people of Singapore to help me teach you a lesson you won't forget.

Took them 65 minutes and they decided ok it isn't worth the fight.

Why? Because they know they'll lose.

They know that I'm prepared to ground the airline. They know that I can get the airline going again without them.“

[throwaway2037]

I'm confused here. Were the Singapore Airlines pilots unionized? If yes, was it illegal for them to strike? These types of "strong man" posts do so little for me. Zero useful context provided and lacking in any nuance.

For example, some light Googling tells me:

    Mr Lee had in 1980 taken the pilots' union to task for staging an unofficial work-to-rule protest in November, to demand a 30 per cent basic pay...

To me, "work-to-rule protest" isn't illegal. Annoying, yes, but legal in most places. 30% increase in basic pay: Maybe their current pay was far too low? Again: No deeper info provided in your post.

[lmm]

Singapore is not a representative example of... anything, honestly. Certainly not of "EU / Japan / Korea" which was the original question. So I have no idea what you're getting at.

[refurb]

Singapore is not unique when it comes to interactions with unions. Check out out the violent union protests in Korea or Japan.

[throwaway2037]

    Check out out the violent union protests in Korea or Japan.

Could you share some examples in the last 30 years in Japan? I expect that you will find zero. I know less about labor relations in Korea.

[lmm]

If you're trying to claim something relevant you're going to have to do so more explicitly.

[refurb]

https://www.industriall-union.org/korean-trade-unions-protes...

"On 20 July 2023, the Korean Metal Workers' Union (KMWU) took another strong stand against trade union repression in Korea, calling for an end to the heavy-handed tactics employed by the government."

The idea that workers in unions in Asia suddenly have robust worker protections is false.

[pixl97]

127k is not a huge salary in large cities with a life and death responsibility job.

[throwaway2037]

Most US airports are not located inside large cities. They are located 15-30km outside large cities. Normally, there is plenty of much cheaper suburban housing available.

Also, in your view, is 127k as a starting salary not enough for a "life and death responsibility job"? If no, are you willing to pay higher airfares to cover the cost? If yes, by how much in %?

I love these types of reactionary, emotional HN posts. This term: "life and death responsibility job": Do bus/train/truct drivers, crane operators, ER nurses/doctors, firefighters, police, military group troops qualify for that same phrase? I am sure all except medical doctors have a starting salary much, much lower than 127k.