[makeitdouble]

I'd argue having useable LLMs kind of brings out how problematic TDD is.

Imagine the dumbest function you have to write: a product A and a street address as input, and the shipping cost as an output.

How many test cases would you write to be absolutely sure that function actually does what you want it to do, and be confident it doesn't have weird exceptions that the LLM injected randomly ? I'd assume you'd still vet the code written by the LLM, but if it's hundreds of rambling lines doing weird stuff to get the right result, is it really faster than writing it yourself ?

[__MatrixMan__]

If it's hundreds of rambling lines then I'm not going to be able to get it past my linter anyhow (complexity thresholds), nor am I going to be able to get it past my team when they review it. So yeah, that's a problematic case, but it's one I'm going to have to refactor to avoid with or without an LLM in the loop.

[throwaway2037]

About the problems of TDD: Cedric Beust has a legendary blog post about it here: https://www.beust.com/weblog/the-pitfalls-of-test-driven-dev...

[MoreQARespect]

TDD works best if you default to testing at the outer shell of the app - e.g. translating a user story into steps executed by playwright against your web app and only TDDing lower layers once youve used those higher level tests to evolve a useful abstraction underneath the outer shell.

It seems to be taught in a fucked up way though where you imagine you want a car object and a banana object and you want to insert the banana into a car or some other kind of abstract nonsense.