[mdgrech23]

I get the logic from the mocking camp e.g. we're not here to test this dependency we're just here to test this function/method whatever but when you mock you end up making assumptions about how that dependency works. This is how you end up w/ the case of all my tests are green and production is broke.

I think it's hard to beat e2e testing. The thing is e2e tests are expensive to write and maintain and in my opinion you really need a software engineer to write them and write them well. Now manual e2e testing is cheap and can be outsourced. All the companies I've worked for in the US have had testing departments and they did manage to write a few tests but they were developers and so to be frank they were really bad at writing them. They did probably 80 or 90% of their testing manually. At that point who we kidding. Just say you do manual testing, pay your people accordingly and move on.