[_8j50]

Why the negative sentiment against this? It doesn't cost people anything to star a project. Whether it is a PR or not, the maintainer still had to review and maintain the code and that is time they will spend. The more stars a project gets, the more support it gets. It's not like you pay for stars or it is burdensome to click on the star button.

[8n4vidtmkvmk]

Because it artificially bloats the star count so that it no longer represents how many people are interested in the project.... Although if you've filed an issue you kind of are invested already

[Brian_K_White]

I might have no interest in or even actively dislike a project but it might be for work or for a customer or there might be no other option.

Filing an issue is not equivalent or a reasonable stand-in for interest and DEFINITELY not for regard or admiration.

[_8j50]

You are right but then the project authors don't owe you support and don't want to support you if you are in that situation, so fork it or find another project.

[Brian_K_White]

This user was offering to do work and give it to them.

[_8j50]

And they have the right to refuse. Do you know how many times my PRs have been turned down after I already finished the work? Sometimes they only accept PRs if you're in their click lol. That's all fine but clicking on a star is so despicable right? What a joke.

[Brian_K_White]

Irrelevant. This conversation is not remotely about incompatible ideas or poor implementations.

You attempted to justify the devs policy with demanding users, which is ridiculous on multiple fronts.

[Ekaros]

I disagree here.

It actually makes the star count represent the interest in project. After all no one would be making bug report if they didn't have a reason. Probably because they have problem or want to use project.

[zokier]

Maybe the intention is that people who are not interested in the project shouldn't be filing issues for it.

[fredoliveira]

Well there's varying degrees of interest - it isn't binary.

There are certainly projects for which I've opened issues that I wouldn't star, because I use stars as a way to get project updates on my github feed.

[_8j50]

My point exactly, if you don't think it's worth starring why even use it let along issues and pr's.

If GH had levels of stars it might have be been better.

Can't projects say they'll only support people who really like the project or are people thinking OSS comes with entitlements for unpaying users.

[johnnyanmac]

> if you don't think it's worth starring why even use it let along issues and pr's.

- it's a dependency downstream and it's breaking my actual project.

- I'm in evaluation/research phase for multiple repos and am not committed to that specific tool. Actions like this actively make me NOT want to star such behavior, nor even use the tool if I can help it

- because I don't fundamentally use stars as a popularity stick and don't care. I'd rather you prompt me to post a bounty or donation instead. Yes, that's how much I hate that system; I will pay money to not be involved in it.

>Can't projects say they'll only support people who really like the project or are people thinking OSS comes with entitlements for unpaying users.

if you ignore the meta-gaming reasons this tactic exists, sure. I'd rather just pay the project directly instead be a part of a statitic that says "we got X stars on our repo please fund us" VC pitches.

[_8j50]

> it's a dependency downstream and it's breaking my actual project.

You depend on it but so much as clicking in a star button is burdensome? Come on!

> I'm in evaluation/research phase for multiple repos and am not committed to that specific tool. Actions like this actively make me NOT want to star such behavior, nor even use the tool if I can help it

Then the author's don't want you to use their project, so fork it or move on.

> because I don't fundamentally use stars as a popularity stick and don't care. I'd rather you prompt me to post a bounty or donation instead. Yes, that's how much I hate that system; I will pay money to not be involved in it.

This isn't about you, it's a button the author cares about, so support them with it for their sake, if they want money they will ask for it.

> I'd rather just pay the project directly instead be a part of a statitic that says "we got X stars on our repo please fund us" VC pitches.

You are not part of any of thay, you are just supporting someone making their hard work free and open source in the way they want to be supported. This boils down to how you wish to support them and how you wish the system worked without a single consideration into their right to not support you for any reason at all. The software is already FOSS, you downvote their post and anything defending them because what? Being free and open isn't enough, you also deserve free labour and in your own terms?

[johnnyanmac]

>You depend on it but so much as clicking in a star button is burdensome? Come on!

I don't. Something I use depends on something depends on something... Depends on it, and I might not even agree with the dependency. I'm not rewarding something because of someone else's decision to use it.

>Then the author's don't want you to use their project, so fork it or move on.

At that point yes, I move on.

>This isn't about you.

Someone requests an action of me and people are confused by my response. So yes, it is about me. I can and do just say "no" and move on, but if people want me to clarify I will.

>You are not part of any of tha

Well they just made me a part of it. Congrats.

>The software is already FOSS, you downvote their post and anything defending them because what?

A lack of a star is not a downvote. And I'm very glad you can't downvote a repo. What a mess that would be. Why are you taking my inaction so personally? Who or what am I downcotijf to begin with?

I seel at this point you're arguing with a very different person than me.

[_8j50]

> I don't. Something I use depends on something depends on something... Depends on it, and I might not even agree with the dependency. I'm not rewarding something because of someone else's decision to use it.

That's your problem, this project is not responsible for your dependency on it with or without your choice!

> Someone requests an action of me and people are confused by my response. So yes, it is about me. I can and do just say "no" and move on, but if people want me to clarify I will.

Ok, so long as we agree it is their right to require arbitrary things as is yours to ditch them.

> Well they just made me a part of it

In the same way every human is a part of it? I don't follow.

> A lack of a star is not a downvote. And I'm very glad you can't downvote a repo.

No kidding. HN'ers are downvoting on the issue if you care to click on the link of the post and see.

I don't care about your inaction, I care about the negative entitled jerk sentiment on this thread!

[dr_kiszonka]

I have a family member who would get upset when others would not like her Facebook posts and would message us about it. (It was one of the reasons why I stopped using FB.) OP's submission reminds of this family member.

[_8j50]

Is your family member providing you free services alongside free AND open software?

[justsomehnguy]

Because people don't like to drink a verification cans.

> It's not like you pay for stars or it is burdensome to click on the star button.

Imagine being allowed to comment here only after [starring] something. It's not like you pay for [stars] or it is burdensome to click on the [star] button.

[_8j50]

Don't you have to get like 500 karma before you can up/down vote on HN? Not far off right?

[justsomehnguy]

> Can I ask people to upvote my submission?

> No. Users should röstning for a story because they personally find it intellectually interesting, not because someone has content to promote. We penalize or ban submissions, accounts, and sites that break this rule, so please don't.

500 karma requirement is for downvoting, an anti-abuse measure, site-wide, not restricted by any other means. You don't need to upvote the submission to be able to vote on the comments on that submission.

Upvotes are available from the start.

So no, that's far off.

This behaviour is a clear as day extortion scheme yet you are aggressively defend it, which begs the question - why? Do you profit from similar schemes?

[_8j50]

> 500 karma requirement is for downvoting, an anti-abuse measure

Yeah, right. And a star is anti-troll measure because they have to spend time reviewing the code for security issues or just validity, it's a minor reward for someone's time.

> So no, that's far off

I disagree, forced participation to be allowed to do something in both cases, except HN isn't reviewing my upvote unlike PRs.

> This behaviour is a clear as day extortion scheme yet you are aggressively defend it, which begs the question - why? Do you profit from similar schemes?

You are so entitled and being mean! What could one possible gain from a f*cking star? Even if they can gain from it so what? What do you lose?

What a mean attitude! Someone gains, you lose nothing and that is extortion in your entitled mind. Stop using open source software if you don't understand that you're not entitled to support you don't pay for and not every open source author will have the same rules and values as your those in your familiar bubble.

[chupapimunyenyo]

This is not a fair comparison. The user can comment, and create an issue on github

[johnnyanmac]

I feel like this is splitting hairs, but sure. This is more like wanting to favorite a post but you need to upvote it first. Some may not even see the issue. Others will not want to do that because favorite is the only way to mark something as "read for later". You may in fact disagree heavily with the post but want to come back to it for some reason.

[eviks]

How do toy magically get more support if all projects simply demand more stars and get them?

[_8j50]

If you like it starting it makes sense, if you don't why open issues and do pr's?

[eviks]

There are trivial responses to your question, but you didn't address the issue I raised

[_8j50]

I thought it was obvious. Not all projects get stars, the ones people use and like the most get more support in form of contribution which could be issues and pr's or other types of support. For people who don't care abour stars it means nothing, for those who do it means everything.

[eviks]

It's not obvious since it's false, you've just ignored the core point "if all projects simply demand more stars and get them" that pointed to the flaw in your logic. Also no, people are not binary state machines with either "means nothing" or "means everything" states

[_8j50]

It's not a core point, I thought you were reasonable here lol. In no site with upvotes do all users get upvotes so your assumption there is wrong which I already clarified by telling you how projects people like that solve more issues get more stars. Stars have a count.

I did not claim human beings are binary state machines. If you refuse to interpret my statements in good faith and in context then you don't want a discussion, you just want to feel right.