[Darmody]

I don't think he's wrong, to be honest.

And, sadly, I know many people that think the same. Maybe not a civil war per se but we're heading towards many internal conflicts. And the more we wait to solve things, the worse it'll be.

[consumer451]

I can somewhat imagine this happening in the USA after Jan 6th set the example of modern political violence in the USA.

But regarding Europe, I see more right-wing politicians getting elected more often in some EU countries as a response to allowing extra immigration from the war in Syria. In Poland as a counter-example, it went the other way. However, all of these political shifts were non-violent.

"Civil war" is politics via violence. Please give me a scenario as to how you see that happening in specific countries in the EU.

[TMWNN]

>I can somewhat imagine this happening in the USA after Jan 6th set the example of modern political violence in the USA.

Ah yes, a riot by 150 unarmed idiots in which the only person killed was one rioter shot by a police officer, well after it started.

>"Civil war" is politics via violence. Please give me a scenario as to how you see that happening in specific countries in the EU.

You mean, like the French generals who in 2021 warned in an open letter of coming civil war in that country? <https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210427-french-genera...>

[consumer451]

> Ah yes, a riot by 150 unarmed idiots in which the only person killed was one rioter shot by a police officer, well after it started.

That's, I guess.. a take.

Regarding your link..

If this is the case, what is your proposed solution to avoid this "civil war" in France?

[TMWNN]

>That's, I guess.. a take.

Even better, it happens to also be true. <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38679379>

>If this is the case, what is your proposed solution to avoid this "civil war" in France?

I am neither French nor responsible for the generals writing the open letter. Why not ask them?

You asked for evidence of possible civil war in the EU. I provided evidence from a very compelling source of such a possibility in one of the EU's founding members, something you obviously had not been aware of. Taken aback, all you can do is to sputter "no u".

[consumer451]

> Even better, it happens to also be true.

Here is what actually happened:

> This report will provide greater detail about the multistep effort devised and driven by Donald Trump to overturn the 2020 election and block the transfer of power. Building on the information presented in our hearings earlier this year, we will present new findings about Trump’s pressure campaign on officials from the local level all the way up to his Vice President, orchestrated and designed solely to throw out the will of the voters and keep him in office past the end of his elected term.

> As we’ve shown previously, this plan faltered at several points because of the courage of officials (nearly all of them Republicans) who refused to go along with it. Donald Trump appeared to believe that anyone who shared his partisan affiliation would also share the same callous disregard for his or her oath to uphold the rule of law. Fortunately, he was wrong.

> The failure of Trump’s plan was not assured. To the contrary, Trump’s plan was successful at several turns. When his scheme to stay in power through political pressure hit roadblocks, he relentlessly pushed ahead with a parallel plan: summoning a mob to gather in Washington, DC on January 6th, promising things “will be wild!”

> That mob showed up. They were armed. They were angry. They believed the “Big Lie” that the election had been stolen. And when Donald Trump pointed them toward the Capitol and told them to “fight like hell,” that’s exactly what they did.

> Donald Trump lit that fire. But in the weeks beforehand, the kindling he ultimately ignited was amassed in plain sight.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-J6-REPORT/html-submi...

[Darmody]

A scenario? Look at how are things.

- Economy is not getting better for everybody. Affordable housing doesn't exist anymore. Owning a car is becoming more and more expensive due the price increases and taxes while also paying other taxes to subsidy rich people buying expensive EV.

- Public services like healthcare are becoming a nightmare everywhere in Europe. COVID changed everything. If you are sick you better have a private insurance or you'll have to wait months for anything. I had to wait 8 months for a 5 min call to tell me the result of some tests. Thankfully it doesn't look like anything serious but that's not the case for everybody.

- Other services are worse. Having to pay money to do some paperwork reminds me of the corruption in Eastern Europe after the fall of the communism.

- We're already exporting terrorist to fight in foreign countries

- You can see even in HN people talking about moving cities because they are unsafe

- Russia is at war with us, fighting the long war, waiting for any chance to destabilize us. Meanwhile a huge part of the US population supports Russia and wants nothing to do with the EU.

- Dumb policies that come from the EU that restrict speech, therefore freedom, only to keep some bureaucrats happy.

- More friction in politics than ever. The era of respectful debate and sharing of ideas is over. Now you have to be incendiary, be trending topic on twitter, point at your enemy (not rival anymore), threaten them and create more friction than ever.

Now, all this is only getting worse. There's no will to improve things because there's no acceptance of a problem. You say immigration must be regulated, you're a fascist. You say big corporations shouldn't be able to do certain things, you're a communist. We only scream at each other while things get worse. We're going at full speed with no brakes.

I think there's a bigger chance of a conflict in Europe than in the US. We only need a country to fuck up and drag everybody else.

[consumer451]

Internet forums != reality.

You can elect a super duper problem solver like Orban, or Geert Wilders. It is up the electorate. There will be no civil war.

The other side will be sad, maybe some protests, that is all.

Poland just switched polarity as much as possible... no "civil war" occurred and people were actually pretty polarized... but nothing bad happened.

[Darmody]

Who is talking about the internet?

Also Poland is probably the last country that would have an internet conflict in the next decades.