[genocidicbunny]

It's irrelevant because it has no relation to what ADA says about accommodations being made. Even if the ADA proscribed that new constructions had to have reasonable accommodations, it wouldn't really change anything about the fact that the ADA doesn't mandate accommodations in all circumstances, reasonable or not.

[Dylan16807]

Failures of the ADA model aren't relevant to the ADA??

[genocidicbunny]

Please explain how the fact that the ADA only requires reasonable accommodations is a failure of the ADA model? It's just a model. You're talking about it's implementation and practice in the world, I am just correcting a common misconception about what the ADA actually requires as it currently exists.

[Dylan16807]

The failure is that the accomodations would be reasonable, but the disconnect between builder and buyer lets the bad design get solidified.

And someone else already replied saying the ADA forces new buildings to comply. So if we did that with planes in this comparison, new models would fit more people out of the factory. Would have done so for decades.

[genocidicbunny]

> the ADA forces new buildings to comply

Again, if reasonable to comply. Say I am building a new building on steep terrain where in order to get a compliant wheelchair ramp in with the maximum allowed grade that it can be, and all the appropriate flat spots for it. Let's say that wheelchair ramp would occupy 3/4ths of the whole property, making it impossible to build a code-compliant building on that property. The only alternative would be to purchase adjacent property but the owners refuse to sell. It can then be argued that making the new building wheelchair accessible is impossible without undue burden on the owner of the property.

In fact, this sort of thing is _explicitly_ called out in 28 CFR 35.151:

"(i) Full compliance with the requirements of this section is not required where a public entity can demonstrate that it is structurally impracticable to meet the requirements. Full compliance will be considered structurally impracticable only in those rare circumstances when the unique characteristics of terrain prevent the incorporation of accessibility features."

You also only need to provide accommodations for places the public accesses. A mechanical walkway that is only used by maintenance workers, for example, need not be accessible. Incidentally, airplane cockpits are pretty much a textbook example of 'not public space' and thus are also not subject to accessibility requirements.

Point is, the ADA is not as black and white as many perceive it to be.

[Dylan16807]

...okay? The context here is a design consideration that's easy to do but very hard to retrofit, so that's not relevant.

And for employee areas you [should] still need a good reason to make an area that restricts your hiring capabilities.