[sshine]

> not making yourself accountable is just the path of least resistance, and one could argue it's the right call

I’ve been frustrated with colleagues who would just do their job to a point of a project critically failing. But in retrospect, I must say they did the right thing.

Taking heat as an employee should be voluntary, and it should be compensated, and it usually isn’t.

When you see an employee just doing their job, when a lot more is needed, you can trace it to a spineless leader who does not lead by example.

[ryandrake]

> Taking heat as an employee should be voluntary, and it should be compensated, and it usually isn’t.

It must be compensated! At the vast, vast majority of companies, the worker bees' compensation is multiple orders of magnitude lower than leadership's. Why should they shoulder the accountability? When you question these stratospheric executive compensations, one of the retorts is always "Well, they are responsible and accountable so that's why they're paid so much."

Don't feel frustrated with a colleague who doesn't get fired when the project fails. Get frustrated with the executive leader 4 notches up on the totem pole who makes $10M/yr for "being responsible", who gets a bonus when the project fails.

[nitwit005]

At times, people are very insistent on doing the wrong thing. At a certain point as an employee, you have to shrug your shoulders and do what they ask. It's their company.