[acdha]

This is somewhat true but it’s a reminder of how far out it was: the Bush administration had to invent a new theory of executive privilege to authorize it, did it outside of the country because they knew it wouldn’t be accept by a real court, and then they still felt the need to “accidentally” delete the tapes.

[verisimi]

Yes. What nonsense the whole of the legal system is. And people think it is about justice. If justice occurs on account of the legal system, its a happy accident, not by design!

[wolverine876]

This attitude prevents real progress, and results in additional injustice. The legal system is imperfect, and very flawed in some respects. The way forward is to understand the mechanism, and improve it, relentlessly. In the end it's a human institution and will be flawed, but that's all we have - humans all the way down.

The people on the sideline saying it's all pointless are not only obstructing those doing actual work, they benefit from the legal system - the work of all these people and generations working toward justice - without contributing their share.

[verisimi]

You say its pointless standing on the sideline obstructing, whereas I think trying to save a system that cannot deliver justice by design is a waste of effort.

Let me know when your relentless effort yields improvement.

[wolverine876]

It does, unquestionably, and it has, for generations. That's where all the justice you have now comes from, and every day I see improvements. Just as an example, most cities have stopped prosecuting marijuana possession offenses.

Not enough, not quickly enough, but that's because you're not helping.