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by pluies_public 5180 days ago
Pretty ironic, given that the US is the only country I've been to (so far) where my fingerprints have been taken. Live by the sword, yadda yadda.
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Japan fingerprints foreign visitors as well.
Japan does whatever the U.S. tells them to. Or else.

In general, considering the 8 U.S. military bases in Tokyo (not Japan, just Tokyo), and in particular, the 31000 sq metre military base in the centre of the city, in Roppongi (prime real estate worth at least $60 m, with a few military helicopters landing/taking off from there every day, and a lot more towards the weekend), IMHO, Japan is an occupied territory not too different from Afghanistan or Iraq. IMHO, the role of Japan in the scheme of things as designed by the US is to hold US debt, giving legitimacy to the piece of paper printed by the Treasury. The entire Toyota drama was about Japan trying to assert it's independence and not follow orders.

Oh, totally. You figure, first, that America doesn't have 50,000 soldiers there for no reason. No country has ever had soldiers in other countries for no reason.

The reason is that it's a vassal state, and the way it pays its tribute is, depending on how you want to look at it, by sending awesome manufactured goods over, or buying bad paper at high prices with its huge annual trade surplus. Cf Germany.

"vassal state" Ha, been some time since I heard that phrase, thanks for that!
The Toyota drama you refer to sounds interesting, any chance of a link?
Got that from someone whose family works in the CIA, no link.

Edit : Assuming you were not asking for proof, only information, see : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%932011_Toyota_vehicl.... Note that "After a 10 month search, NASA and NHTSA scientists found no electronic defect in Toyota vehicles. Driver error or pedal misapplication was found responsible for most of the incidents". But the dive in Toyota stock price, sales, and most importantly, brand image, was enough to send the message. Toyota stocked surged 20% after the then-Japanese PM resigned after his failure to get the US off of Okinawa.

Interesting to read about the helicopter pad in Aoyama

http://wikileaks.org/cable/2009/11/09TOKYO2570.html

I can see what you're saying with regards to bases, but economically... do you remember the 80s?
Do you remember the 90s?
Recently passed through Thailand and had to have fingerprints taken (at a land border).
Just passed through Doha recently and they took my picture. Once when I entered and another time when I left.

I know it's not the same as fingerprinting. But with image recognition getting better it's not that far off.

I had my whole hand done when I went to Italy for a few years.
Spain fingerprints it's entire population as part of the process of getting an ID card ("DNI").
One of my flights from the US routed through Schiphol then I entered Spain without going through customs or getting my passport stamped. I'm not really sure what happened.
Both the Netherlands and Spain are in the Schengen Area, so there's no border controls between them. The same happens if you go to Zürich via Paris, for example. I've done that a few times; you don't go through Swiss customs.
I think that they take fingerprints in Japan as well, among other things
The UK Border Agency does this as well (could only be for some nationalities).
Probably. When going in and out of UK I rarely see a Border Agent, I just scan my passport (electronic) and an automatic door opens.
I think that's an EU passport privilege.
Ireland does it for some nationalities.
Brazil fingerprints U.S. citizens only, as a calculated return of the insult.
A number of nations have a tit-for-tat policy when it comes to immigration practices. For example, China matches the fee for a US tourist visa for Chinese citizens when Americans try to go to China. That's far from the only example.