[philwelch]

The fall of US hegemony is much more likely going to be the result of the US government abdicating its responsibilities to the world than the result of some other hegemon materially overcoming the US. This is as good an opportunity as any for that to happen.

[sokoloff]

If that risk begins to materialize, there is more than sufficient strength among the allied western nations to ensure that the situation proceeds to the “find out” phase.

[rasz]

As it stands western NATO nations are too timid to shoot down an Iranian unmanned loitering munition fired by russia and flying across NATO country to bomb Odessa. According to dpa (German news agency):

>russian drones violated Romanian (NATO ) airspace tonight. German interceptors approached the drones, “visually confirmed contact but have not received an order to destroy drones”. So the drones flew further towards Ukraine to kill Ukrainians. One drone exploded in @NATO airspace.

https://news.yahoo.com/russian-drone-attack-ukraine-violates...

only NATO response was this pathetic:

"The ministry strongly condemns the attacks by the Russian Federation on individual objects and elements of civilian infrastructure in Ukrainian ports on the Danube,”

In case you think shooting it down would be bad here is some contrast from Turkey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Russian_Sukhoi_Su-24_shoo... russia understands only violence, nothing else matters.

[jongjong]

This makes it sound like the US is doing its 'allies' a service. I must be mistaken in thinking that the US has been wrecking a havoc in the middle east for its own benefit and then letting its allies in the EU deal with the resulting inflows of refugees. Or how the US monopolized the tech sector and didn't allow any of its allies to foster their own tech industry. Thanks so much USA. Thank you so much for oppressing us and corrupting our politicians.

Sincerely,

Your allies

P.S. We're really going to miss this US-led world order because we love you guys so much! xoxo!

[sokoloff]

How did the US monopolize tech (other than by providing an economic backdrop where it could flourish without being strangled)?

If another country doesn’t have a vibrant tech industry, it’s not obvious to me that the problem is something bad the US did.

[nradov]

Our European allies did a fine job of handicapping their own tech sector. They obviously don't consider it a strategic priority and aren't trying very hard.

The US strategic pivot towards Asia is well underway. Now that we're effectively energy independent there's no longer an existential need to wreak havoc in the Middle East. Instead I expect the UK and France to resume wreaking havoc there as they did prior to Pax Americana. They don't really have another option to maintain critical fossil fuel supplies.

[hackerlight]

> We're really going to miss this US-led world order

You will miss it. Just because it's bad doesn't mean the alternative is better. The alternative will be worse. Many of the reasons that deaths from conflicts is at a historic low is because of the US-led world order. This is regardless of which school of geopolitics you subscribe to. If you believe in democratic peace theory, or the liberalism idea that trade reduces conflict, or the realist idea that we have less war only because we're in a unipolar hegemony, the US-led world order has caused less conflict deaths. I don't have to downplay the atrocities and contradictions of the US and their allies when accepting this reality.