[dekleinewolf]

> Who would argue without the implicit desire to convince/convert?

Me? I'm an engineer, when I 'argue' with my co-workers, it is with the goal of finding the best solution. I don't care whose solution it is. I want to find consensus on what is the best solution.

[Daub]

To be clear, I am all for thesis/antithesis/synthesis in argument. I use it all the time at work.

However, without some form of positioal oposition there can be no argument.

[greenie_beans]

this is very meta. an argument about arguing on a post about arguing.