| > First of all I was talking about thermal baths were bacteria do not survive anyway. Large Roman bathhouses had multiple pools with different temperatures. > Romans did not know antibiotics or bacteria or how infections worked That’s kind of my entire point. The overall quality of life is much better because of what we know. > d better maintained compared to today. I’m not sure what saunas or swimming pools you go to but I certainly don’t believe that they are as dirty and unmaintained in general as you’re implying. > If we were putting the same effort 2 thousand years later, we should be living in a literal heaven. I think that by ancient standards we do (in the developed world). Humans are just very adaptable. > but definitely nothing of to the kind of the organized crime we know today as mafia or cartels. Because most things modern criminal organizations engage in were actually legal back then. Some of stuff they do now were just standard practices in the Roman society, which was structured a lot like the mafia organizations were back in the 1800s (a lot less secrecy than now). > The greatest threat were pirates, who, as the name implies, only attacked ships sailing in the open sea. Romans were generally pretty afraid of being kidnapped and sold into slavery even when traveling on land. In cities gangs and organized crime were certainly a huge issue in poorer parts of the city of Rome as far as we know. > things we can learn by studying it you’re right... I’d suggest you get some books not meant for 8 year olds if you’re really interested in the field. They might not paint such a straightforward picture you seem to have in your head, though Anyway, it’s quite funny that we’re arguing about this. A very weird position to take by you considering most people back in those days lived in such horribly abject conditions you seem to be somehow incapable of comprehending. And politically and socially too. In comparison to the Roman empire all but the very extreme modern authoritarian regimes would seem like egalitarian utopias (if we focus on human rights and the rule of law). |
It's not much better, it could be much better. But on average it is not, compared to the living standards of the Planet Romans were much better of than many are today in the richest Country in the World.
Besides, what really changed is the impact of war on the population, not much of the rest.
And yes, medical advancements, which are not equally shared though, even though they should be a human right by now.
> Because most things modern criminal organizations engage in were actually legal back then
It was harder for them to be formed, it was mostly small bands of bandits outside the city walls.
Weapons, for example, were very expensive and very much controlled.
> which was structured a lot like the mafia organizations
[citation needed]
> Romans were generally pretty afraid of being kidnapped and sold into slavery even when traveling on land
same thing happens in 2023 in Southern Italy to immigrants. It's just hidden from public opinion.
OTOH not many people traveled on land back then, most were born and died in the same plot of land, without ever seeing nothing else in their lives.
> In cities gangs and organized crime were certainly a huge issue in poorer parts of the city of Rome as far as we know.
I happen to live in the place that was called Suburra, precisely were the Argiletum was.
It was the part of the city dedicated to brothels and lower income classes in general, but also where Julius Caesar built his domus.
So, you know, not the kind of neighbourhood one would bring their kids to, but if you think about it, is Downtown LA any better today? At least the Suburra was surrounded by some of the most important monuments and public services of the time and the most popular today (the Colosseum, the Capitolium, the Forum of Caesar, the Forum of Augustus, Trajan's Forum, the Quirinal Hill etc etc)
Is there something as iconic in Downtown LA today? to counter balance being 12 times as dangerous as the national average.
> A very weird position to take by you considering most people back in those days lived in such horribly abject conditions
Is this really your argument?
Who's the 8 year old boy, actually?
you don't seem to understand the concept of context, yes, they were abject by modern standards, but they were a very high standard of living back then.
And that standard was more equally distributed then, than it is today.